From: "Terry Wieser" Received: from sonic301-25.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.64.151] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 6359575 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 23:11:17 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s2048; t=1511302483; bh=ochiGDiUrZGyAMFcqNaFIHn/vSjLpwNxfC24U9C9YWw=; h=From:Date:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:To:From:Subject; b=BLe0PIx6ZOmbA9cOmO5NdzzEX4f1wfpgmbzl7H+hbGE9QFdwAEbYJ8+m82JZ2ll+3dnJ7S7NnSQ1mqtzkt/EzwCoMeXuMjCaZ+TihZQtGkOjaobO5oDZGVDbX5V+6kAEBsi5xeeHoPOn/hE13/INTpQF5gKDNlazPEAf0A4YhByvDMi0CuKm+3jyMBHb0ImRwVGC6u9Qi2U5+8+3QKDfuIrLIKf61+p0eAedwGbulzT1nnjHZnfwiWdMjMw8CLQGBfHBb/iKVvOD9DgAcqu/BKUA5WobrDe+GDBB8UoIJ4PfZaILusKEsY/GMoIQT+Ugja5yH1EcfUKItmpWWEkddQ== X-YMail-OSG: SCjz3oEVM1neuxxaJyRHtFocrnayGoYVIZPRXBn6xV6PzzRVr4W8PSCy6pEuHKR 4cfZ4Ll49DVf3yuMmGr3MdYU1py49zdjtUV9RIhlKkBsP8pr8WKNPZU.BQgfGmpg5AVuQdISPQfq mU92ANFfjCwjNF2h2xIELmsEt3.vH6rCKWt27Yl3SN9r2ysuJNhRe7d9jOJsw6uDzxWs3s7937xu 7vT1IPNCaVSSxM1Ep0.PjtvxACGOOK0LqS8Vg22LIWyGaNEU1Cq.c_dFsVOgjt01P6aeas3ZuoKv f1WPaPTxEbMkVdU0BxX.MN.pLihqLnwR7Gy8qdlXU5r45rVROvPC5nREqhjZsu5P7pRJRqFAgtow dzLIgedkzLgU_Gu_6F4rVWfEI1fonzQwaVplALgVOqo09uYUU1wLRrbyG.5A0FGcKopWnCcUrOTj TUmsVEFoVCjGzLylTk57EIbimpi6mPSpTMpuTbkublyWgzAtDszg6Lv0YnTyNUaQ_XvCK9J8lQ2C dJlyU6x7o5BhxgnuGxwfmFUISrOAerTp.NoPk64MRxb2U.J3_5ESnhkBm3RWc Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic301.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:14:43 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp222.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2017 22:14:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 854050.26584.bm@smtp222.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: SCjz3oEVM1neuxxaJyRHtFocrnayGoYVIZPRXBn6xV6PzzR Vr4W8PSCy6pEuHKR4cfZ4Ll49DVf3yuMmGr3MdYU1py49zdjtUV9RIhlKkBs P8pr8WKNPZU.BQgfGmpg5AVuQdISPQfqmU92ANFfjCwjNF2h2xIELmsEt3.v H6rCKWt27Yl3SN9r2ysuJNhRe7d9jOJsw6uDzxWs3s7937xu7vT1IPNCaVSS xM1Ep0.PjtvxACGOOK0LqS8Vg22LIWyGaNEU1Cq.c_dFsVOgjt01P6aeas3Z uoKvf1WPaPTxEbMkVdU0BxX.MN.pLihqLnwR7Gy8qdlXU5r45rVROvPC5nRE qhjZsu5P7pRJRqFAgtowdzLIgedkzLgU_Gu_6F4rVWfEI1fonzQwaVplALgV Oqo09uYUU1wLRrbyG.5A0FGcKopWnCcUrOTjTUmsVEFoVCjGzLylTk57EIbi mpi6mPSpTMpuTbkublyWgzAtDszg6Lv0YnTyNUaQ_XvCK9J8lQ2CdJlyU6x7 o5BhxgnuGxwfmFUISrOAerTp.NoPk64MRxb2U.J3_5ESnhkBm3RWc X-Yahoo-SMTP: 2lgTvEaswBAo5j2xbAX1qv252S40zwYNPReM2bFZXZR06g-- Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-33B400ED-12BE-40A5-BA9D-B5A14EBCB6D7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 14:14:37 -0800 Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer Message-Id: <093F1715-EE5A-4717-A419-4E98A56CE27E@sbcglobal.net> References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (15B202) --Apple-Mail-33B400ED-12BE-40A5-BA9D-B5A14EBCB6D7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Boris has never let me down.=20 > On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wr= ote: >=20 > Ross, >=20 > Oh, that 30% is what got me looking and I agree on the keying suites. I've= used the AE one standard and it's great. I've used the RG one and sometimes= the AE has been Better. This Boris one seems to have a bit more capability a= nd as said earlier, never know what the hell the client will submit, more ti= mes than not, it's not perfect. =20 >=20 > Eric >=20 >> On Nov 21, 2017 16:44, "Ross Shain" wrote: >> And the cheesy marketing note: >> Continuum Keying Unit (with Primatte and integrated Mocha masking) is on s= ale now for 30% off. >>=20 >> You can never have too many keying options.=20 >> https://store.borisfx.com/products/continuum-units-key-and-blend >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:= >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 21, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Does anyone know if there's any relation between the primatte keyer fro= m Red Giant and the primatte at keyer from Boris? And second, Has anyone use= d the Boris keyer and how does it compare? >>>=20 >>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2017/03/boris-fx-licenses-primatte-keyer-sets= -nab-launch-for-updates/ >>>=20 >>> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a co= uple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from buying i= t, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very good k= eying plug-in. >>>=20 >>> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a f= ew advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>=20 >>> I=E2=80=99ve found that in less than ideal green screen shots that amate= ur shooters have given me, it can help to use two instances of Keylight: one= to remove most of the green, and a second to fine tune the key. I=E2=80=99= ve read that this is a reason for the Intermediate Result option on the firs= t instance. >>>=20 >>> Try playing with the Screen Matte > Replace Method dropdown. =E2=80=9CO= ff" may give you the best result. It=E2=80=99s not the default setting. >>>=20 >>> In my experience, the better the green screen was shot, the easier it is= to key. But, I have no control over the people my clients hire to shoot. M= any of them apparently think all you need to do is hang up some green paper o= r fabric and shoot away, and on Long-GOP crap codec to make matters worse. >>>=20 >>> That said, I=E2=80=99m already a BCC10 customer, and will look at this u= pgrade. I=E2=80=99ve read of some plan to CUDA accelerate their plugs in Pr= , which would be awfully sweet. The Ultra keyer in Pr is pretty good, but no= t great, and it=E2=80=99d be nice not to have to Dynamically link to Ae to g= et better keys. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> .. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail-33B400ED-12BE-40A5-BA9D-B5A14EBCB6D7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Boris has never let me down= .. 

On Nov 21, 2017, at 1:47 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :

Ross,

Oh, that 30% is what got me looking a= nd I agree on the keying suites. I've used the AE one standard and it's grea= t. I've used the RG one and sometimes the AE has been Better. This Boris one= seems to have a bit more capability and as said earlier, never know what th= e hell the client will submit, more times than not, it's not perfect.  =

Eric

On Nov 21, 2017 16:44, "Ro= ss Shain" <AE-List@media-motio= n.tv> wrote:
And the cheesy marketing note:
Continuum Keying Unit (with Primatte and i= ntegrated Mocha masking) is on sale now for 30% off.

You can never have too many keying options. 
htt= ps://store.borisfx.com/products/continuum-units-key-and-blend<= br>
Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:15 PM, Jim Cu= rtis <AE-Lis= t@media-motion.tv> wrote:


On Nov 21, 2017, at 2:51 P= M, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Does anyone know if there's any relation between the primatte keyer f= rom Red Giant and the primatte at keyer from Boris? And second, Has anyone u= sed the Boris keyer and how does it compare?

http://www= ..studiodaily.com/2017/03/boris-fx-licenses-primatte-keyer-sets-nab= -launch-for-updates/

I have only d= emo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a couple of things: &= nbsp;The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from buying it, and Keyli= ght, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very good keying plug-i= n.

IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time t= o learn Keylight by watching a few advanced tutorials.  It may be all y= ou need.

I=E2=80=99ve found that in less th= an ideal green screen shots that amateur shooters have given me, it can help= to use two instances of Keylight: one to remove most of the green, and a se= cond to fine tune the key.  I=E2=80=99ve read that this is a reason for= the Intermediate Result option on the first instance.

Try playing with the Screen Matte > Replace Method dropdown. &= nbsp;=E2=80=9COff" may give you the best result.  It=E2=80=99s not the d= efault setting.

In my experience, the bette= r the green screen was shot, the easier it is to key.  But, I have no c= ontrol over the people my clients hire to shoot. Many of them apparently thi= nk all you need to do is hang up some green paper or fabric and shoot away, a= nd on Long-GOP crap codec to make matters worse.

= That said, I=E2=80=99m already a BCC10 customer, and will look at this= upgrade.  I=E2=80=99ve read of some plan to CUDA accelerate their plug= s in Pr, which would be awfully sweet. The Ultra keyer in Pr is pretty good,= but not great, and it=E2=80=99d be nice not to have to Dynamically link to A= e to get better keys.


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