From: "Robert Houghton" Received: from cichlid.ash.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.222.36] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6359628 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 04:06:30 +0100 X-Sender-Id: arvixe|x-authuser|robert@pdxgfx.net Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C609409C3 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dallas141.arvixeshared.com (unknown [100.96.9.25]) (Authenticated sender: arvixe) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3D13B94050D for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:09:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: arvixe|x-authuser|robert@pdxgfx.net Received: from dallas141.arvixeshared.com (dallas141.arvixeshared.com [172.17.79.47]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.10.2); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 03:09:55 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: arvixe|x-authuser|robert@pdxgfx.net X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: arvixe X-Troubled-Zesty: 0e70c5d36d6d2abf_1511320195433_3241810113 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1511320195433:2313909540 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1511320195432 Received: from mail-it0-f52.google.com ([209.85.214.52]:38186) by dallas141.arvixeshared.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1eHLQA-000XTp-AE for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:09:54 -0500 Received: by mail-it0-f52.google.com with SMTP id n134so4599150itg.3 for ; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:09:54 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX7fyXn/N3V1Ga31oW43sRMwKcjRdQjIu1gyuyKZx9x4g3WeFAoM RzBl4MhobWC4vrFdDRejwrlg19SZUpQIqjb9l0g= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYqbDvBjYAYfvZ6t/s8NQmbd7cFa5f6r5ZYIQUx21DQligxa9MU45axRD2fwmVuuIZ4yLUpUQJIGsHdPEQlDyM= X-Received: by 10.36.39.8 with SMTP id g8mr5208352ita.42.1511320194009; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:09:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.142.149 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:09:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 19:09:53 -0800 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1147c5ac4e5134055e89a79f" X-AuthUser: robert@pdxgfx.net --001a1147c5ac4e5134055e89a79f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, that's a good price for Fusion. About the same price as Boris and you get a pretty decent node based compositor. I remember using Fusion when it was called Digital Fusion, it was on a Windows NT workstation in 1998 that no doubt my cell phone could overpower now. Ahhh memories. - Rob H On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Teddy Gage wrote= : > I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new > Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their versi= on > of primatte) > > The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare > one key will solve every corner of your screen > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar > wrote: > >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote: >> > >> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a >> couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from >> buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a >> very good keying plug-in. >> > >> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching = a few >> advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >> >> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different >> keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is my >> go-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do >> keying I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with t= he >> old AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. Go= figure=E2=80=A6 I will >> experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight crashes >> constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >> >> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likel= y >> to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a differe= nce >> keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green & B= lue >> channels. A more advanced version of putting a green solid on top of yo= ur >> footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is why it only >> really works with green or blue screens. >> >> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing >> using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). Ba= sically, >> imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Every >> colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are >> represented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pix= el >> with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in= 3D >> space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is >> transparent or not. >> >> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6 >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >> > -- > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 > > --001a1147c5ac4e5134055e89a79f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wow, that's a good price for Fusion. About the same pr= ice as Boris and you get a pretty decent node based compositor. I remember = using Fusion when it was called Digital Fusion, it was on a Windows NT work= station in 1998 that no doubt my cell phone could overpower now. Ahhh memor= ies.

=C2=A0 - Rob H

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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 6:33 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the k= eying is top notch. The new Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine w= ith ultimatte (their version of primatte)

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The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and com= bine. It's rare one key will solve every corner of your screen=C2=A0
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chri= s Zwar <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a = couple of things:=C2=A0 The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from = buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a ve= ry good keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching = a few advanced tutorials.=C2=A0 It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different ke= ying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.=C2=A0 Keylight is my g= o-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do key= ing I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old= AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.=C2=A0 Go = figure=E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.=C2=A0 I fin= d Keylight crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying= alternatives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely t= o give different results with different footage.=C2=A0 Keylight is a differ= ence keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= amp; Blue channels.=C2=A0 A more advanced version of putting a green solid = on top of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.=C2=A0 Thi= s is why it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usi= ng the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).=C2=A0 Bas= ically, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate.=C2= =A0 Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis ar= e represented by R,G,B values.=C2=A0 Primatte compares the position of each= pixel with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinate= s in 3D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixe= l is transparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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