From: "Peter McAuley" Received: from mail-qt0-f193.google.com ([209.85.216.193] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360102 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:03:59 +0100 Received: by mail-qt0-f193.google.com with SMTP id i40so12647035qti.8 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:07:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=y/DjDakDKOYTfajibdTsoWB3o8f6Yki/G8WcRiCH1dA=; b=Hu1SnoWCr4RdftaTBiXnTRprk9m2g5NIkRzsneOmcHqC47VPbzrq7Aa0X7Z/YONveA oJdEshIHbcCcGHaLxUFsZXqCMsVVQIh9zrkLS1DAbBymoQreoaDzsc03CUKO5FKrc1yg 84fqwUuxk7qPvjJ28r5ro/A8Z0lk0FBO2lZuMaSwPFcxHd3qW/3w5dAvtjGPLokEFvoi zOm1GJAvPvZgu0azXe7anrZNzrDEEPIYVmhOiaFzJOBJhcsvqSrMPz1vRMFrUQQg5W0Z nzp8bLZeXyo7WdEQ5yWT6TI/7Gv2A0rcPRFQr0VZloEQ2EV0jqIOlOEoKEMQfJkRQ1vR RHdA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=y/DjDakDKOYTfajibdTsoWB3o8f6Yki/G8WcRiCH1dA=; b=tlDDOxk0qWuttfjvAz5/H6vhNYX+HiHmet/PaFMwyJDbE//9tnmdeAsx/qjXVXfx3z mUN3MBtLEj7o9ApG3vvK5fwd5Zkkm2PJ6Gv2ANlmW3q/3s3luVGO1Kbc//EPuaKjOGNW /+0optBklWbYOBzRSI/tIBjTxVwjf4SIeNdZ0RAqpDk8WCHRqn5aH8xGz1kDsp1OiMxu g4zbPWIroMBu2tCXz/tWJPf6UO7R9jUw+bybNwfLfpaeS01kGfuUtgXgGms7Rp/VTxFr O0SNRIdQYDEhTfUFlkc0Rt0Mltz9EbvPjEaLhEHlbhTG+7jfOQ0dPdvfneTJtwbbrpZX +eHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX565AIpOcSG0xtRC/TghR0AoF5cToe8YQ1eCqAk1sApn2wHnsjF x7RabSxHZaJRarHDaWCArrBwIEGfw9+xrTZu5jOYCBRE9uQd63kxj9gUDn1GBq5a0g2VgPG/TH0 uH1FizQ6DQTLhCRRmlf/pjTEUXFVvwyjrXpAwR3/We/d9iPlyXJJzeLHuYolVLAYboA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYc1bjXB1ew46JJW8Zh4dHoodSDMOUjYEGrMAT5yF0ArIOTSKunAerbOvc8KnPGQmWbHH03xQ== X-Received: by 10.200.50.61 with SMTP id x58mr34318353qta.117.1511359648333; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:07:28 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.187.208.226] (mobile-166-172-62-29.mycingular.net. [166.172.62.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 188sm10396395qkm.24.2017.11.22.06.07.26 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:07:26 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6AB2B0C5-6B45-4EC1-9880-9EACF1AFDE67 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:07:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) --Apple-Mail-6AB2B0C5-6B45-4EC1-9880-9EACF1AFDE67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - should y= ou need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel free to= contact me directly.=20 Cheers, Peter.=20 > On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wr= ote: >=20 > Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll be buy= ing the Boris Keying suite. >=20 > Eric >=20 >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage wro= te: >> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new De= lta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their version of= primatte) >>=20 >> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare o= ne key will solve every corner of your screen=20 >>=20 >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar wro= te: >>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote: >>> > >>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from buying i= t, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very good k= eying plug-in. >>> > >>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a= few advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>=20 >>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different= keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is my go-t= o plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keying I= was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE 8-= bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. Go figure=E2=80= =A6 I will experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight crashes= constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >>>=20 >>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likel= y to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a differenc= e keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green & Blu= e channels. A more advanced version of putting a green solid on top of your= footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is why it only rea= lly works with green or blue screens. >>>=20 >>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing u= sing the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). Basical= ly, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Every c= olour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are represente= d by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pixel with the po= sition of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3D space, and u= ses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is transparent or n= ot. >>>=20 >>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6 >>>=20 >>> -Chris >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> Teddy Gage >> President >> Shotgun Inc. >> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >> BKLYN NY 11215 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > VFX for Kirk Productions > 443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail-6AB2B0C5-6B45-4EC1-9880-9EACF1AFDE67 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think you'll really enjoy= working with the Primatte Studio keyer - should you need any assistance und= erstanding any of the features please feel free to contact me directly. = ;

Cheers,

Peter. 

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Tons of great comme= nts here.  I also noticed reference to 3D.  I'll be buying the Bor= is Keying suite.

Eric

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Ted= dy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I have been using Fusion Studio 9 an= d the keying is top notch. The new Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can com= bine with ultimatte (their version of primatte)

<= /div>
The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and= combine. It's rare one key will solve every corner of your screen 
On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Z= war <AE-List= @media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8= :15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things:  The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from bu= ying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very g= ood keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a= few advanced tutorials.  It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different key= ing plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.  Keylight is my go-= to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keying= I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE 8= -bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.  Go figure= =E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.  I find Keyli= ght crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alterna= tives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely to= give different results with different footage.  Keylight is a differen= ce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= ; Blue channels.  A more advanced version of putting a green solid on t= op of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.  This is w= hy it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usin= g the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).  Basic= ally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. = Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are re= presented by R,G,B values.  Primatte compares the position of each pixe= l with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3= D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is tr= ansparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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