From: "Mr. Eric D. Kirk" Received: from mail-io0-f177.google.com ([209.85.223.177] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360104 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 15:53:05 +0100 Received: by mail-io0-f177.google.com with SMTP id d21so1289012ioe.7 for ; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:56:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=cc+xGJ2z1CbyAwrmpmCqVgX1edWVeFEESuQ2QhXXa10=; b=FnadJP38U6g5FUUw6boTjJN1ZbRqVOwS2KoI3yTgSZT5eA6nqNnn8b23fOrlUoiL4t lT/8/plZKbnE6KKcOF2pqbMKdF6uilGHomhfE6AKU3SLBQ1nAgJudfGfTwePejkmcB2P nVIQezmaijVGDGm8zo2RcJSTNEYWVmRfTljCiKOKhbqBnBvh8dNk0A6pX8u0rdpjhMEk ajnYPIWEb+P7xPvymvBArhcZk4kqk7aYF1CR6IooNx6/vW0HIero++i5SwBmKe035WQ6 /NrL80P3deb4MvIMFf/4EI08wMIj54iohMtFZQkAJrQKo62E/wu1yXc2aTD2ntnTSDJD 9NSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=cc+xGJ2z1CbyAwrmpmCqVgX1edWVeFEESuQ2QhXXa10=; b=LcYBAsg4C2GJ1tDKN/mKKuuTeo5T+qQ5whFiEJhKT9OpEv3lY9ptWdFKhA22nvXUI3 lFMaOHdx4+tDzoG31xIS27Sp5pgrivv9nrUwaPbv0xoh9Di7ya7mzmqKQJkyEV2JWXSq LFsAdOTWz4bgdBmF67rgSjCsXb68ILlIulOYbtAuoC/u7OlHrBbJ8IIKaiNQk/mh1mL3 3uwCG1Bw6UP7RLILTUh0j1XeA0bJ3mIIPvIxY8FsaDv4kFtrvt39njURLOP1BBCVzjLQ FJCKEBTQJEafvQf1+AJKqurBs9Gdot1lmlNuJsbVv+t4riP1QR8u8w2pg43CX+hRNhTx bMGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX4VxFJeHruCwxa5BhcRWG6OkK2H0WVnN9zmMzanFaQvQBSaJl2A RWkGXRcCQODJSEiWdSJLZtHAevfffMX3ZS5p3fU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYoZ0nhmkClgDqVzllRiu1l3x+m5KMRqBDm6uSbioO3YK4eYDQfTMw/qrYyF6N32/aUt6/2HSVDSKG4WqvxCrk= X-Received: by 10.107.131.99 with SMTP id f96mr22502355iod.215.1511362593893; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:56:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.168.14 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Nov 2017 06:56:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 09:56:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113eb4188932f1055e938673" --001a113eb4188932f1055e938673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Peter, amount to add to cart now. :) Eric On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley wrote: > I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - > should you need any assistance understanding any of the features please > feel free to contact me directly. > > Cheers, > > Peter. > > On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: > > Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll be > buying the Boris Keying suite. > > Eric > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: > >> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new >> Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their vers= ion >> of primatte) >> >> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare >> one key will solve every corner of your screen >> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar >> wrote: >> >>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote: >>> > >>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a >>> couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from >>> buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is = a >>> very good keying plug-in. >>> > >>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching= a few >>> advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>> >>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how differen= t >>> keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is my >>> go-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to d= o >>> keying I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with = the >>> old AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. G= o figure=E2=80=A6 I will >>> experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight crashes >>> constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >>> >>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are >>> likely to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a >>> difference keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Re= d, >>> Green & Blue channels. A more advanced version of putting a green soli= d on >>> top of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is= why >>> it only really works with green or blue screens. >>> >>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing >>> using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). B= asically, >>> imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Every >>> colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are >>> represented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pi= xel >>> with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates i= n 3D >>> space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is >>> transparent or not. >>> >>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6 >>> >>> -Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> Teddy Gage >> President >> Shotgun Inc. >> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >> BKLYN NY 11215 >> >> > > > -- > > > *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk > Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric > IMDB: > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = * > > > --=20 *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com kirkproductions@gmail.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * --001a113eb4188932f1055e938673 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Peter, amount to add to cart now. :)

Eric

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley <AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv> wrote:
I think you'll really enjoy working with the Pri= matte Studio keyer - should you need any assistance understanding any of th= e features please feel free to contact me directly.=C2=A0

Cheers,

Peter.=C2=A0

On Nov = 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

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Tons of great co= mments here.=C2=A0 I also noticed reference to 3D.=C2=A0 I'll be buying= the Boris Keying suite.

Eric

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:= 33 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
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I have been using Fusion Studio 9 a= nd the keying is top notch. The new Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can c= ombine with ultimatte (their version of primatte)
The trick to keying is always using multiple keys= and combine. It's rare one key will solve every corner of your screen= =C2=A0

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:2= 8 PM Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 2= 2 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a = couple of things:=C2=A0 The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from = buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a ve= ry good keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching = a few advanced tutorials.=C2=A0 It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different ke= ying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.=C2=A0 Keylight is my g= o-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do key= ing I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old= AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.=C2=A0 Go = figure=E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.=C2=A0 I fin= d Keylight crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying= alternatives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely t= o give different results with different footage.=C2=A0 Keylight is a differ= ence keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= amp; Blue channels.=C2=A0 A more advanced version of putting a green solid = on top of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.=C2=A0 Thi= s is why it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usi= ng the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).=C2=A0 Bas= ically, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate.=C2= =A0 Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis ar= e represented by R,G,B values.=C2=A0 Primatte compares the position of each= pixel with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinate= s in 3D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixe= l is transparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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