From: "Chris Wolfe" Received: from mail-wr0-f179.google.com ([209.85.128.179] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360732 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 16:08:54 +0100 Received: by mail-wr0-f179.google.com with SMTP id l22so17845308wrc.11 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:12:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PUWAnxJ+DfDPUfJ8MlW/gktw/rlJCMBQL64wPF5VAJw=; b=kvGeG+9IkM1OtSu3IMVmsJ2hd7ldklkemDECmRQsVMDSKLs2sRwAcWNhLaFHKHdDqA bJpwpjz1DdxpYwAJDQneJksrCNGBse0AMfu7HDLt3uIfiuYvsUkLSmy4Lfr6OHCGAq+r YR95+zMSZxE3qjJHD+Gn8AMSTRwTBHnUv+sFIUUt1DH9xSJ2Hv6m2PQ69cl4a1YibQfJ 9BeU1iZPSWDMKzoVFNJO/z32b7+TH59WCrTOLyR/S//9RRbpEgw7LiJBjfM3L5p6rxkE taJvaybX9jcrkQaXp1DrQ/XP1fdmRZWi2BNak2NkewlHfkr+e2lHF3x4Vmrjwq7fD9wp EORQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=PUWAnxJ+DfDPUfJ8MlW/gktw/rlJCMBQL64wPF5VAJw=; b=Q153ylcnAVS69WXJgrmsPTLJ68cF7b7x42SVzAxiHxUtHjtx+Y8q0mwGfYsWuuZ8hc J0YOChCGeGFpntDbZPH9CZ0QiloZ/PhL/faxRohvIkQvApjKaUGZ0WOqaZ+AvCfdPbs/ uzUDsoGDNyDHohH5rmf45Zxn77Mli0QsLp7g8e4tFuZX+IhOKMXVtCQkHXzf844O76/w gOdMc1ieuBzSWhDcEnurB2iaenPyMgxvwqFI9qYEW0Bg/s8EGlVIV7dffueBXZzV4G3S WxR+dg39KEt2aqH50gYvfOOr0FaCA0/IpofemI6Za4gat8XNj04D7X78sS3IltA9OvNF Y0RA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6TpVRjfICSUvcisc9OdgMHfLzA5m0dkgFN4AUP0R/ocOzT3hRT qbK+vx/P7CPEJxVnnx0znZTwwYiyP4xj7cJ30WM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZNh0TWIMwUGePbzSbwuaY6JxzM+y5dYjlTOCjN7yQaYc3oh9VxgLXQ8lj7gvHKCIojlcTn2cDwOPTUU7ZZLlU= X-Received: by 10.223.181.131 with SMTP id c3mr21237163wre.198.1511449945684; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:12:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 15:12:14 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f40304388b781bc318055ea7ddf0" --f40304388b781bc318055ea7ddf0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable love keylight for most everything here. Primatte isn't bad but keylight seems to me to be the more polished all around tool. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:05 AM Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: > Hey Peter, > > I made the purchase of Primatte Keyer, studio, whatever it's called. lol > But I can't find it in my effects panel after installing and registering. > > Eric > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley > wrote: > >> I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - >> should you need any assistance understanding any of the features please >> feel free to contact me directly. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Peter. >> >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >> wrote: >> >> Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll be >> buying the Boris Keying suite. >> >> Eric >> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage >> wrote: >> >>> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new >>> Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their ver= sion >>> of primatte) >>> >>> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rar= e >>> one key will solve every corner of your screen >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote= : >>>> > >>>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say = a >>>> couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from >>>> buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is= a >>>> very good keying plug-in. >>>> > >>>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watchin= g a few >>>> advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>> >>>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how >>>> different keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keyl= ight >>>> is my go-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I h= ad to >>>> do keying I was very surprised to discover that I got better results w= ith >>>> the old AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keyligh= t. Go figure=E2=80=A6 I will >>>> experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight crashes >>>> constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >>>> >>>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are >>>> likely to give different results with different footage. Keylight is = a >>>> difference keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the R= ed, >>>> Green & Blue channels. A more advanced version of putting a green sol= id on >>>> top of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This i= s why >>>> it only really works with green or blue screens. >>>> >>>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketin= g >>>> using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). = Basically, >>>> imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Ever= y >>>> colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are >>>> represented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each p= ixel >>>> with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates = in 3D >>>> space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel i= s >>>> transparent or not. >>>> >>>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80= =A6 >>>> >>>> -Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> >>> -- >>> _____________________________ >>> Teddy Gage >>> President >>> Shotgun Inc. >>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeri= c >> IMDB: >> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >> >> >> > > > -- > > > *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk > Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric > IMDB: > http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ = * > > --f40304388b781bc318055ea7ddf0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
love keylight for most everything here. Primatte isn't= bad but keylight seems to me to be the more polished all around tool.
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On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 = at 10:05 AM Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hey Peter,

I made the purchase of = Primatte Keyer, studio, whatever it's called. lol=C2=A0 But I can't= find it in my effects panel after installing and registering.
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Eric

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter M= cAuley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I think you'll re= ally enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - should you need any ass= istance understanding any of the features please feel free to contact me di= rectly.=C2=A0

Cheers,

Pet= er.=C2=A0

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <<= a href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv" target=3D"_blank">AE-List@media-m= otion.tv> wrote:

Tons of great comments here.=C2=A0 I also noticed reference = to 3D.=C2=A0 I'll be buying the Boris Keying suite.

Eric

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-moti= on.tv> wrote:
I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. Th= e new Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their v= ersion of primatte)

The = trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare on= e key will solve every corner of your screen=C2=A0

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Cur= tis <AE-Lis= t@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a = couple of things:=C2=A0 The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from = buying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a ve= ry good keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching = a few advanced tutorials.=C2=A0 It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different ke= ying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.=C2=A0 Keylight is my g= o-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do key= ing I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old= AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.=C2=A0 Go = figure=E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.=C2=A0 I fin= d Keylight crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying= alternatives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely t= o give different results with different footage.=C2=A0 Keylight is a differ= ence keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= amp; Blue channels.=C2=A0 A more advanced version of putting a green solid = on top of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.=C2=A0 Thi= s is why it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usi= ng the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).=C2=A0 Bas= ically, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate.=C2= =A0 Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis ar= e represented by R,G,B values.=C2=A0 Primatte compares the position of each= pixel with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinate= s in 3D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixe= l is transparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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