From: "Peter McAuley" Received: from mail-qk0-f178.google.com ([209.85.220.178] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360747 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 16:53:03 +0100 Received: by mail-qk0-f178.google.com with SMTP id a194so21460416qkc.9 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:56:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=TaGCkyTuMutQt75W5RynX8ltcH7DL0HqJCnV/WONPLw=; b=avm2wwylAphbmCC3Yekplw4JlV5OYcfOwNLD0dDmnBxm6+ySg3kqRaiP6sqZ7C/hrL 43OcLxW9j2ViRSFTQdsbG60gDpU3Pbel0lrgzQVhvnQdH6AML04RRir4zUx6Hb5AF1VS qVYsFwc9xutL0zW2nkumhPvlg8JveNdGZYOhzBQgTRQcvb++7cACQ8FicYLSX4MV6RwH PaWQ/NQgT8iiz9m6+Q5RK0CIQgg1mWnCeX6w7ETgC82k0twvnCgF+Gb9XGTfFuHgrVUa 8QCmN21UBK20FOdAouNFIqhr2BnZf+NSwOw6fOrdmnuDOKAzCZOqrMIv+jWUvJh7FSDV fm2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=TaGCkyTuMutQt75W5RynX8ltcH7DL0HqJCnV/WONPLw=; b=b1unx+yARO/R68ywdJF+9Mr46Cd1CCV+uLrNluXTFFQq4vbO/CzyYTQIPFNV8aN7mi a0OFlJBr1NG9s5HJmuHv8A8bz2LCw4RvtcWH17O5449H0SOjFhuzqIWlVTfXMXjFRtiL +3J5KL0IqUAWjtXNFqfnebZVGm97kRXYKzSkd+4xiMfP02n+y9vsbCFk1TMA7+iSKrQS WYx3Swh6y56mfVvVYAWO5Hmeb6SEcmnPdIgNSlQVjkJdU6JauKYXabkiVeGXpW4Yn/6+ LzGLL34iBN3LKSd3Lb3Xy0vmSM0HNU5hROD9UTb3poxGp2aaSwK+GG9x6Yq9gqHrndDi Cmxg== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX6r/VThUSrk+qMwTDBexEh+pDt9kf4Mn9WpuBfOIk70tCPFk6wY i3lqteqqdmCPXZNgeDLs8G2/F4/6RkERvcLw6kPfkmYoQde/G9wg57+kSfU1bevrlp6jAa6IcD/ KUs3tXh6Sv3WKpRu0jTUFNtXIRIGlKqzClcq8zpawABiaTwM/smiDooqhRRxJAX0yDw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMZs+cpGh+d9e5hfCMWnIyn8KkBqvkX9X8jn8qDvaZae/Z0gPFuxe3NWo+1zkK+OAr1cATLzSA== X-Received: by 10.55.88.195 with SMTP id m186mr33317476qkb.340.1511452593883; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.187.208.226] (mobile-166-172-62-29.mycingular.net. [166.172.62.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f126sm12605475qkd.20.2017.11.23.07.56.32 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2C432D7F-7BE3-4F66-A862-E92066D17FE5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 10:56:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer Message-Id: <4139807F-8E6D-4AA0-A4D2-FC363D87D62C@borisfx.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) --Apple-Mail-2C432D7F-7BE3-4F66-A862-E92066D17FE5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And sorry Eric, I just realized that I referred to the category by its previ= ous name. The correct name is BCC Key and Blend.=20 > On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk w= rote: >=20 > Hey Peter, >=20 > I made the purchase of Primatte Keyer, studio, whatever it's called. lol B= ut I can't find it in my effects panel after installing and registering. >=20 > Eric >=20 >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley w= rote: >> I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - shou= ld you need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel fre= e to contact me directly.=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Peter.=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk w= rote: >>>=20 >>> Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll be b= uying the Boris Keying suite. >>>=20 >>> Eric >>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage w= rote: >>>> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new D= elta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their version o= f primatte) >>>>=20 >>>> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rar= e one key will solve every corner of your screen=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar w= rote: >>>>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote= : >>>>> > >>>>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a= couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from buyin= g it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very goo= d keying plug-in. >>>>> > >>>>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watchin= g a few advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how differe= nt keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is my go= -to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keyin= g I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE= 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. Go figure=E2= =80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight cras= hes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are lik= ely to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a differe= nce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green & B= lue channels. A more advanced version of putting a green solid on top of yo= ur footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is why it only r= eally works with green or blue screens. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketin= g using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). Basi= cally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Eve= ry colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are repres= ented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pixel with th= e position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3D space, a= nd uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is transparent o= r not. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6= >>>>>=20 >>>>> -Chris >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> _____________________________ >>>> Teddy Gage >>>> President >>>> Shotgun Inc. >>>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>> 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. 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And sorry Eric, I just real= ized that I referred to the category by its previous name. The correct name i= s BCC Key and Blend. 

On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. E= ric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-mot= ion.tv> wrote:

Hey Peter,

I made the purchase of Primatte Keyer, s= tudio, whatever it's called. lol  But I can't find it in my effects pan= el after installing and registering.

Eric

On Wed, Nov 22, 2= 017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:
I t= hink you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - should you= need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel free to c= ontact me directly. 

Cheers,

Peter. 

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. K= irk <AE-List= @media-motion.tv> wrote:

=
Tons of great comments here.  I also noticed refe= rence to 3D.  I'll be buying the Boris Keying suite.

Eric

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion= .tv> wrote:
I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new= Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their version= of primatte)

The trick t= o keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare one key will s= olve every corner of your screen 

<= div>On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things:  The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from bu= ying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very g= ood keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a= few advanced tutorials.  It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different key= ing plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.  Keylight is my go-= to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keying= I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE 8= -bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.  Go figure= =E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.  I find Keyli= ght crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alterna= tives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely to= give different results with different footage.  Keylight is a differen= ce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= ; Blue channels.  A more advanced version of putting a green solid on t= op of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.  This is w= hy it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usin= g the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).  Basic= ally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. = Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are re= presented by R,G,B values.  Primatte compares the position of each pixe= l with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3= D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is tr= ansparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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