From: "Ross Shain" Received: from mail-qt0-f180.google.com ([209.85.216.180] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360751 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 17:01:31 +0100 Received: by mail-qt0-f180.google.com with SMTP id i40so17197850qti.8 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:05:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=y9n0Ewb6YUZEb0QgUy/JOUeZ99+ZjYKAjEaT/oo0Y2Y=; b=ILZZHNVNbV3NUn1jX+333jb0Uh7acOWXvRi07d5SzdUv6MnAq5IFatyus8oNj/e7Uy zIf8nNtQHMiOCULwRGus/L6oFa8AdZp82QpBO48CBejaLmCUZWMqnkGbxhA4L8w/nAfa r1GR1P1ubwu/zKKmttf5QY8kkeGA3aAoLloEQVrNnZrOSe/58O/dRWG90jU2z9GKSbAM UL3TatES07Zxr3LQcgNoIG89l27RqAw0pG8SmxaiQeMGsXiEUYsuWh4SN8i0m722/TdB cLp65YEgWeWlj+vaHQX3ZNPITm2LLLFBZJ52/6y5bnnlK70Snyv/E82/OfpotCxHrm57 ybEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=y9n0Ewb6YUZEb0QgUy/JOUeZ99+ZjYKAjEaT/oo0Y2Y=; b=BQjyuA+G8zOfOwg7cOcTVOAPHaL18uyhM2p/qvmkwariU+7knashCWE/Y0v3cHHCsq ESz3AOVYxPqDv9IRCe9HozloyQhtPD0M0SVzQ3Dv7319yVLsajXVSq8BmIgcFo6qoGbe Gu+O6loRvXyFHxtRRdG4fqSq+obx++cG3vpNXrAsIN/AuOjgOaqXply0D5xyUNjJzyqd s2f3v5+yDoY4iNoph+gjJS2MZ9aGtjr2PgjwMnkxisXxrivdKh42xpauYd7mY1PQmQWv GJ77xc0e3eIskhZ/XKv/Uec/Y1ksNeCrNB+lCHsRNH2T5jNlk2kOj12jZaOSSe9/QgEi 7IWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX5Uy45Yo4a6TfzcFQd4dQd2I0n2Y4CpSsbda+peLt96RvedqDsA C0CNdclfhjrAdi85rjZI2ZlEmCoxH+UR/8xUjpMoAUPuZGnVEJiBJvi8JyC5r3Sd7MhpUOHx2uZ 9+Yl0pYMkqd/VwPo79b4IciXAfBQAxZ9IBgAjQ7mPMOkp8RrwtrGkR/SRmgnszbpU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMb0OO18IT1CmyveH3Rhm7Qe1PAtnLCagN8W65Eu2fZ8JILMQRujnJDj+yvXNLKLc44bG1F98A== X-Received: by 10.200.20.152 with SMTP id l24mr28217503qtj.31.1511453102243; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:05:02 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2604:2000:1103:41ce:e078:c751:8964:c292? ([2604:2000:1103:41ce:e078:c751:8964:c292]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q37sm13137820qtj.66.2017.11.23.08.05.01 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 08:05:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-B6CDC6AC-795F-464C-A0B3-D4C8C54B8BD4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 11:05:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14G60) --Apple-Mail-B6CDC6AC-795F-464C-A0B3-D4C8C54B8BD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check BCC Keys folder.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk w= rote: >=20 > Hey Peter, >=20 > I made the purchase of Primatte Keyer, studio, whatever it's called. lol B= ut I can't find it in my effects panel after installing and registering. >=20 > Eric >=20 >> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley w= rote: >> I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - shou= ld you need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel fre= e to contact me directly.=20 >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Peter.=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk w= rote: >>>=20 >>> Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll be b= uying the Boris Keying suite. >>>=20 >>> Eric >>>=20 >>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage w= rote: >>>> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new D= elta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their version o= f primatte) >>>>=20 >>>> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rar= e one key will solve every corner of your screen=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar w= rote: >>>>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis wrote= : >>>>> > >>>>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a= couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from buyin= g it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very goo= d keying plug-in. >>>>> > >>>>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watchin= g a few advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how differe= nt keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is my go= -to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keyin= g I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE= 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. Go figure=E2= =80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight cras= hes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are lik= ely to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a differe= nce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green & B= lue channels. A more advanced version of putting a green solid on top of yo= ur footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is why it only r= eally works with green or blue screens. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketin= g using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). Basi= cally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. Eve= ry colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are repres= ented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pixel with th= e position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3D space, a= nd uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is transparent o= r not. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6= >>>>>=20 >>>>> -Chris >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> _____________________________ >>>> Teddy Gage >>>> President >>>> Shotgun Inc. >>>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>> 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. 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Check BCC Keys folder. 

Se= nt from my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Eric D. Ki= rk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9= :07 AM, Peter McAuley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I think yo= u'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - should you need a= ny assistance understanding any of the features please feel free to contact m= e directly. 

Cheers,

= Peter. 

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <= ;AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:

Tons of great comments here.  I also noticed reference t= o 3D.  I'll be buying the Boris Keying suite.

= Eric

On= Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv= > wrote:
I h= ave been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The new Delta ke= yer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their version of prima= tte)

The trick to keying i= s always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare one key will solve every= corner of your screen 

On Tue= , Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wro= te:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things:  The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from bu= ying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very g= ood keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a= few advanced tutorials.  It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different key= ing plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.  Keylight is my go-= to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keying= I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE 8= -bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.  Go figure= =E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.  I find Keyli= ght crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alterna= tives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely to= give different results with different footage.  Keylight is a differen= ce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= ; Blue channels.  A more advanced version of putting a green solid on t= op of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.  This is w= hy it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usin= g the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).  Basic= ally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. = Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are re= presented by R,G,B values.  Primatte compares the position of each pixe= l with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3= D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is tr= ansparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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