From: "Peter McAuley" Received: from mail-qk0-f181.google.com ([209.85.220.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6360763 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:14:18 +0100 Received: by mail-qk0-f181.google.com with SMTP id a142so21741156qkb.5 for ; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:17:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date:subject:message-id :references:in-reply-to:to; bh=MivRaoWIiw8uPLy2ggbZaNRKWlVZKuKi9qPGFBmeLqs=; b=ancpqPXifyBck0Enuyga2+xGokP/Ib/soO5yuKt1W0D1ub1h1V+tGAE8AxSqF53+kJ ZbjWOqAvxcfqppn5nmmSMwufzkRNozAt/T5A4Ha1v0GGWNgi+N9EYss0lCtpZ6OUnzi4 V47EYoM/u9j/lnPAZL6H59oIC8cp+Nv4jXgMidIcRQ0gv+vwPsYd/s3aZKNBSySfBiOj UJ1W8COn9qCpJCxlarcwZ+O9i+zzj53i4Xvu6kh3DXGioqckJrqgw/ccyquzDpZpbG4C V35NiG5blygtfi3CA2vdQ3rW9kA6HbQrGuUEUWQpxjYquqFClSYVvpUUj3UGiQDltxtr Kq3w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; bh=MivRaoWIiw8uPLy2ggbZaNRKWlVZKuKi9qPGFBmeLqs=; b=F5cE+dG4ysU4CI7Xv8GoJHJ6g6//e6z9yPvxK4lZ1WLtCkjsenlgAPlHplrSTRQYfD VaCTmxa3jsueeATby6JCMqA8p1IzyHunqFoVrFhPxRnyG3HumS+PeIiyGHG3cLUez1RN +K38pJSO78SXgN8t6HRXAZLak3fuq9bzutmkSgPquaTrSzxNkQW881HuxdFyk1+nYBac T9s25Y2r05KG/WjpT/3I06NzEcgSwY9DxXnvrYYKCGrXOIe813h/pb/mPDAp7iHwupb8 7V/r8+dv3OvtbFOeik1+eSWBjAe0yT6fMzUvx8j5ncY0jpkSuQ2mkGmMZIAOxeSQJPHa 74jA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX43kqkpt4458SWZROB0+GcmLp58Xj/LzyoV2pR6sG8BPHXAsL1t zKzuqvY/axK7E3mLTpC1kAfn6sKRodbm0gVxI24HzoXC+mL4prm5/LgvvtfKwyMsrBHdiXq85wi DHONq3HqOA8SRGsEBZPN2U4B9PdJf5DG/eQUk4QfUwpK8+vskEMRBKjdhEV58vvJMEQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMa/5dUEdAaWlKjA3vFJtR3PsKSH+Q22XJAYIaBkW6hPswVymryEo/EAlkeIGvqkMrFCZjDMEg== X-Received: by 10.233.244.73 with SMTP id z9mr41021926qkl.300.1511457469458; Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:17:49 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.187.208.226] (mobile-166-172-62-29.mycingular.net. [166.172.62.29]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x23sm10494455qkb.4.2017.11.23.09.17.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:17:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FF3C0768-6E6B-450F-B30F-2D38443390F5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 12:17:46 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Primatte Keyer Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (14D27) --Apple-Mail-FF3C0768-6E6B-450F-B30F-2D38443390F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cool - glad you figured that out Eric and thanks for letting us know.=20 OFX is OpenFX, which is a plugin standard for hosts such as Resolve, Fusion,= Nuke, Vegas etc. For Adobe we have the AE plugin API, for Avid we have AVX a= nd for Apple it's FX Plug.=20 > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk w= rote: >=20 > Yep, that'll do it every time. Wrong version. All good now. Checking it= out. >=20 > Thanks > Eric >=20 >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >> I'm thinking I downloaded the wrong version. >>=20 >> Not even sure what OFX is. lol Running Adobe, Win 64bit next. >>=20 >> Eric >>=20 >>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:15 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>> All, >>>=20 >>> Ok, I'm looking around. Just a couple things. The download file it sen= t me to was for this file: Continuum_OFX_11_0_1_Win.exe I presume this is c= orrect? >>>=20 >>> I went to install, it prompted me for the registration key but did not o= ffer me a choice on the location. It did offer to remove any unlicensed pro= ducts, which to my knowledge, I have none. >>>=20 >>> Where is the common located and where do you suppose it installed it to r= elocate manually if I need? >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Eric >>>=20 >>>> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Ross Shain w= rote: >>>> Check BCC Keys folder.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>=20 >>>>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Hey Peter, >>>>>=20 >>>>> I made the purchase of Primatte Keyer, studio, whatever it's called. l= ol But I can't find it in my effects panel after installing and registering= . >>>>>=20 >>>>> Eric >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley wrote: >>>>>> I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - s= hould you need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel f= ree to contact me directly.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Peter.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Tons of great comments here. I also noticed reference to 3D. I'll b= e buying the Boris Keying suite. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>>>>>>> I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. The n= ew Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their versi= on of primatte) >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> The trick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's= rare one key will solve every corner of your screen=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis w= rote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can s= ay a couple of things: The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from b= uying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very= good keying plug-in. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by wat= ching a few advanced tutorials. It may be all you need. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how dif= ferent keying plugins work, there are a few basic approaches. Keylight is m= y go-to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do k= eying I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the ol= d AE 8-bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight. Go figur= e=E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future. I find Keylight c= rashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alternatives= . >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are= likely to give different results with different footage. Keylight is a dif= ference keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green= & Blue channels. A more advanced version of putting a green solid on top o= f your footage and choosing the difference blending mode. This is why it on= ly really works with green or blue screens. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their mark= eting using the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly). B= asically, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. E= very colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are repr= esented by R,G,B values. Primatte compares the position of each pixel with t= he position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3D space,= and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is transparen= t or not. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80= =A6 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -Chris >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>> Teddy Gage >>>>>>>> President >>>>>>>> Shotgun Inc. >>>>>>>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>>>>>>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>>>>>>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>>>>>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>>>>>> 443.206.1347 >>>>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>>>>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>>>> =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> --=20 >>>>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>>>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>>>> 443.206.1347 >>>>> www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>>>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>>>> =20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >>> VFX for Kirk Productions >>> 443.206.1347 >>> www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >>> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >>> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions >> VFX for Kirk Productions >> 443.206.1347 >> www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric >> IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ >> =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Eric D. Kirk | Kirk Productions > VFX for Kirk Productions > 443.206.1347 > www.kirkproductions.com > kirkproductions@gmail.com > YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeric > IMDB: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ > =20 --Apple-Mail-FF3C0768-6E6B-450F-B30F-2D38443390F5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Cool - glad you figured tha= t out Eric and thanks for letting us know. 

OFX= is OpenFX, which is a plugin standard for hosts such as Resolve, Fusion, Nu= ke, Vegas etc. For Adobe we have the AE plugin API, for Avid we have AVX and= for Apple it's FX Plug. 

On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:47 AM, M= r. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media= -motion.tv> wrote:

Yep, that'll do it every time.  Wrong version.  All goo= d now.  Checking it out.

Thanks
Eric
=

On Thu, Nov 2= 3, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= wrote:
I'm thinkin= g I downloaded the wrong version.

Not even sure what OFX i= s. lol  Running Adobe, Win 64bit next.

Eric

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017= at 11:15 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= wrote:
All,

Ok, I'm looking around.  Just a couple things.  The download= file it sent me to was for this file:  Continuum_OFX_11_0_1_Win.exe&nb= sp; I presume this is correct?

I went to install, i= t prompted me for the registration key but did not offer me a choice on the l= ocation.  It did offer to remove any unlicensed products, which to my k= nowledge, I have none.

Where is the common located a= nd where do you suppose it installed it to relocate manually if I need?

Thanks,
Eric
<= br>
On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Ross Shain <= span dir=3D"ltr"><AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Check BCC Keys folder. 

Sent fro= m my iPhone

On Nov 23, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <= ;AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:

Hey Peter,

I made the purchase of Primatte Keye= r, studio, whatever it's called. lol  But I can't find it in my effects= panel after installing and registering.

Eric
=

On Wed, Nov 2= 2, 2017 at 9:07 AM, Peter McAuley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I think you'll really enjoy working with the Primatte Studio keyer - shoul= d you need any assistance understanding any of the features please feel free= to contact me directly. 

Cheers,
Peter. 

On Nov 22, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Mr. Eri= c D. Kirk <A= E-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Tons of great comments here.  I also notice= d reference to 3D.  I'll be buying the Boris Keying suite.
Eric

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Teddy Gage <= ;AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:
I have been using Fusion Studio 9 and the keying is top notch. Th= e new Delta keyer is fantastic, and you can combine with ultimatte (their ve= rsion of primatte)

The tr= ick to keying is always using multiple keys and combine. It's rare one key w= ill solve every corner of your screen 

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 7:28 PM Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wro= te:
On 22 Nov 2017, at 8:15 am, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion= .tv> wrote:
>
> I have only demo-ed Primatte, and am no expert on it, but I can say a c= ouple of things:  The price from RG was so steep as to deter me from bu= ying it, and Keylight, created by The Foundry is native in Ae and is a very g= ood keying plug-in.
>
> IMO, it=E2=80=99s worth taking the time to learn Keylight by watching a= few advanced tutorials.  It may be all you need.

I have often contemplated writing an article that looks at how different key= ing plugins work, there are a few basic approaches.  Keylight is my go-= to plugin because it comes with AE, however the last time I had to do keying= I was very surprised to discover that I got better results with the old AE 8= -bit =E2=80=9CColor Range=E2=80=9D keyer than with Keylight.  Go figure= =E2=80=A6 I will experiment more with this in the future.  I find Keyli= ght crashes constantly with AE 2017, which is why I have been trying alterna= tives.

Primatte works in a totally different way to Keylight, so they are likely to= give different results with different footage.  Keylight is a differen= ce keyer, and works by looking at the difference between the Red, Green &= ; Blue channels.  A more advanced version of putting a green solid on t= op of your footage and choosing the difference blending mode.  This is w= hy it only really works with green or blue screens.

Primatte is an advanced linear keyer, although I recall their marketing usin= g the term 3D keyer (maybe I=E2=80=99m remembering incorrectly).  Basic= ally, imagine an RGB value plotted on a graph as an X,Y,Z co-ordinate. = Every colour will have a different position in a cube where the axis are re= presented by R,G,B values.  Primatte compares the position of each pixe= l with the position of the main key colour, as if they are co-ordinates in 3= D space, and uses the distance and direction to calculate if the pixel is tr= ansparent or not.

Always fun to discover what=E2=80=99s happening under the hood=E2=80=A6

-Chris




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