From: "Robert W. Walker" Received: from p3plwbeout04-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.218.223] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6369565 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:59:30 +0100 Received: from p3plgemwbe04-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.218.140]) by :WBEOUT: with SMTP id OTM1ePdHpC2laOTM1eQpzt; Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:03:06 -0700 X-SID: OTM1ePdHpC2la Received: (qmail 62737 invoked by uid 99); 11 Dec 2017 19:03:05 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Originating-IP: 104.33.199.102 User-Agent: Workspace Webmail 6.8.18 Message-Id: <20171211120304.89259f98f291d771214680e8971719cb.1b55155c23.wbe@email04.godaddy.com> To: "After Effects Mail List" Subject: RE: [AE] (OT) for those of you Mac folks looking to take the jumptoPCland. - codec question Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 12:03:04 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJxzjh/mRUpCzrNcK27Arxy8oFao38mumqoT0b+tA3iS82TBuTZKnrDRXItrzycV+WPtrMapfHjfOb4mCkWwzkX19LxAag34IdoooH/0ru5s1yZZctmS vYdNpwexdjN4pqlrmiIknVHvHqGlS73GC8vy0gbad8Sjp/+ee4DLRVoyNA2iX18YqIZbP5hm9kCn4ySmGgtfysZugCCkg57Ly+z6itCyhUVogOMoo6WcxJM0 I've just been experimenting with ProRes, DNxHR, DNxHD, 10-bit, 8-bit,=0Aet= c in various combinations. (All on a Mac while waiting for the PC).=0AThe d= ifferences are obvious on a scope, on the eyes not so much. I will=0Asay th= at DNxHR 444 RGB 10-bit is extremely clean though the highlights=0Athat hit= 100 IRE in ProRes appear to peak at about 98, maybe 99.=0A=0ARobert W. Wal= ker=0AWalkerSound=0AWalker/Fitzgibbon TV & Film=0ALos Angeles CA USA=0A=0A>= -------- Original Message --------=0A> Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) for those of= you Mac folks looking to take the=0A> jumptoPCland. - codec question=0A> F= rom: "David Torno" =0A> Date: Mon, December 11, 20= 17 1:39 pm=0A> To: "After Effects Mail List" =0A> = =0A> =0A> Correct, ProRes by nature is lossy. Even the top tier option of 4= 44. Even though your eyes may not see it, there's no way of shrinking file = size without removing something.=0A> =0A> Also people have a tendency to be= lieve a codec is the same across OS platforms and even between softwares on= the same OS. Wrong. Each developer has set their own preferences for said = codec when implementing them. They also expose only certain options for the= user to tweak, sometimes.=0A> =0A> There is the codec creator spec, then t= here are the developer implementations. All those settings people don't lik= e to mess with, well those are there for a reason to control your output. U= nfortunately they can be difficult to understand for the layperson so prese= ts are offered by most apps. Guess how well those presets match at the core= level. They don't. :)=0A> =0A> So the fantasy of finding that one great co= dec doesn't technically exist because of those variables, but most ignore t= his information or refuse to believe it's true.=0A> =0A> Just saying. ;)=0A= > =0A> =0A> David Torno=0A> 818.391.6060=0A> --------------------=0A> www.s= ydefxink.com (work history)=0A> https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (work samples = & breakdowns)=0A> https://gumroad.com/davidtorno=0A> http://provideocoaliti= on.com/dtorno (tutorials)=0A> =0A> "The most useless day is that in which w= e do not laugh"=0A> -Charles Field=0A> =0A> > On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:55 AM, = Brian Higgins wrote:=0A> > =0A> > I don't think t= here is one, but there isn't a lossless ProRes codec that I'm aware of, eit= her.