From: "Dirk de Jong" Received: from mail-yb0-f177.google.com ([209.85.213.177] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6371652 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:53:50 +0100 Received: by mail-yb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id b15so2932363ybn.0 for ; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:58:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=KgTJsIhn36ae8KIhhOcfYgt2+EgmRSz/0+3VVwmykUs=; b=gWaBZJR3N9G0ENyM37YLEt+SCw1Z3xfIePAfRuWjxP3VKfsGBT7M4JAlaFzO6trHT2 ZRx9ETlFpHGOK/PPye7G4JpqD5TpYk2hIPqxA+JCaVo3YXwnd8A0K+GP+Rb+LRqIuULn lxADlY+/pmHKXc73cksUWpFFhsfNWrr/Oc/mdbrvOobxJaqjCjf393mtrwbyP1O69b3M CsJgz9Uf7P2q4ysb2vjIWQyHB81rBPWXYpJ6Vkl9rFt/gCrJ61GTRR23J4IWZVhxmkmB an0Jc3ymFuuu1nhhzhca5TUwgp6dF7zg1sDLTs+V5XiS7STwwFMVQ4nTcCMlyBt8Kd3M 2SJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=KgTJsIhn36ae8KIhhOcfYgt2+EgmRSz/0+3VVwmykUs=; b=IXOA0pZDhfWZCltadnVJT5Nr50BnJPzI3L712G6+cAf7nAjapihf+36/wRCIG7orTr yjAQK2+uObgIrvrkNw7Lv8hMo7ESC+Kq5m2CEjYtMbHTh50+t5XeFPpvfH/fkaD3rlcr 65+ZTF1EIKBbOa0bomwLEy91fgE6wG4+DlXKS2hYcZS4y9Glgk7VMADYjg4BQwBPvTZ8 77OpHlOytuoYCAdxK/r0KbJPUbWHgIG5WtNgTDf5hVJt4Ir0zD9+i/+fqq9otfKVtYzz HYCsNwCrCOeh56WrHXL34grDsGUWv3Iq+16ieW8uNWzeA1fyvJ7uzI/tXOLqx6K4X5Hk v2Cw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mKtxRt+gDHEsjpTRaYx91IxZa7L5XM8TrqQllWM7eZoX60n3ClA ej5KTqRobTMstngo6dmqUUcSb5wIBZ04gm6JzMFePQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBos2xvjObbr+o5SEr22d6v9eZ/oqPpoKhYCjyiS/qSO60zDr8ucFva4c+PkzD1cipLnS2zjwyJ0WPmurh+LSTXY= X-Received: by 10.37.46.79 with SMTP id b15mr7408341ybn.108.1513357086081; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:58:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.45.98 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Dec 2017 08:58:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 11:58:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Cache bugs with expressions To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="089e0828bbb888c80a056063e7cb" --089e0828bbb888c80a056063e7cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you happen to have the comp window set to Fast Draft watch for GPU related issues... I recently spent awhile troubleshooting something I built which was not seeming to work right and then eventually realized it looked right in Final Quality - So I quit / relaunched and then Fast Draft didn't show that problem anymore... On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > Hmmm. > Yeah I've definitely had cache issues before, and I guess that=E2=80=99s = why the > purge option exists, but I=E2=80=99ve never seen anything like this, wher= e AE seems > completely oblivious to major changes in the timeline. I do think there > are some issues related to guide layers and layers that are turned off bu= t > are still used for calculating expressions. > I=E2=80=99ll try and pin it down further, but AE definitely seems to fail= when it > comes to noticing that a layer should be updated because an expression ha= s > been re-calculated. > > > On 15 Dec 2017, at 1:54 pm, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: > > Same here =E2=80=93 cache problems constantly and not real patterns or ea= sy to > reproduce. Mostly on 2014/15 so don=E2=80=99t even both to file bug repor= ts. Just > got to power through until film is done. > > Best, > > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 <(336)%20202-4777> > > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fict= ion. It should be > a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the= emotion, > the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv > ] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 14, 2017 9:52 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Cache bugs with expressions > > I've had numerous cache issues with 2014, 2015, 2017 (haven't pushed 2018 > yet). Not just with expressions either, it happens with plain timelines, > convoluted timelines. No rhyme or reason. It just loves to hold onto old > cache data. I can't replicate it, it just does it when it wants to. I jus= t > learned to keep the Purge All Cache shortcut handy. "Ctrl + Alt + /" on P= C. > > David Torno > 818.391.6060 <(818)%20391-6060> > -------------------- > www.sydefxink.com (work history) > https://vimeo.com/davidtorno (work samples & breakdowns) > https://gumroad.com/davidtorno > http://provideocoalition.com/dtorno (tutorials) > > "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" > -Charles Field > > > On Dec 14, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > > I=E2=80=99m playing round with a project that is based on an expression a= nd I=E2=80=99m > running into lots of cache bugs. I=E2=80=99m currently using CC 2017. > I=E2=80=99m just wondering if others have come across similar problems an= d if > there are any workarounds. > > The project I have uses a fairly lengthy expression which is applied to a > text layer. The expression is also reading values from a slider. Other > layers are then reading the output text of the text layer (ie the > expression results) which controls their time-remapping values. > > It doesn=E2=80=99t take much for AE to stop working properly. I can move= sliders > around and nothing changes. I can completely change values and yet the R= AM > preview will play the same thing over and over. I can delete all > keyframes, so in theory nothing should be moving at all, yet scrubbing in > the timeline still shows things moving around. > > Basically, what I am trying to do is totally breaking AE=E2=80=99s cache = system. > > While I will report my problems to Adobe and will send them a project, I > am wondering if there are some simple steps to avoid these issues. > Does anyone know if making layers shy, or setting them to guide layers, > effects the way the preview system works? In previous versions, enabling > motion blur has fixed cache bugs but this doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be the = case > here. I can RAM preview something and set the same thing off as a BG > render and get two different results=E2=80=A6 > > Any suggestions? > > -Chris > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > --=20 Dirk Things are not as they appear. Nor are they otherwise. - Lanka Sutra --089e0828bbb888c80a056063e7cb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you happen to have the comp window set to Fast Draft wa= tch for GPU related issues... I recently spent awhile troubleshooting somet= hing I built which was not seeming to work right and then eventually realiz= ed it looked right in Final Quality - So I quit / relaunched and then Fast = Draft didn't show that problem anymore...

On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 10:08 PM, Chris Z= war <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Hmmm.
Yeah I've definitely had cache issues before, and I gu= ess that=E2=80=99s why the purge option exists, but I=E2=80=99ve never seen= anything like this, where AE seems completely oblivious to major changes i= n the timeline.=C2=A0 I do think there are some issues related to guide lay= ers and layers that are turned off but are still used for calculating expre= ssions. =C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll try and pin it down further, but AE d= efinitely seems to fail when it comes to noticing that a layer should be up= dated because an expression has been re-calculated.
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On 15 Dec 2017, at 1:54 pm, Step= hen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Same here =E2=80=93 cache problems constantly and not re= al patterns or easy to reproduce. Mostly on 2014/15 so don=E2=80=99t even b= oth to file bug reports. Just got to power through until film is done.
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Best,<= /u>
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stephen van vuuren
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http://www.insaturnsrings.co= m/
=C2=A0
A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like mus= ic than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The= theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes late= r.
=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick
=C2=A0
From:= =C2=A0After Effects Mail List [ma= ilto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=C2=A0
Sent:=C2=A0Thursday, December 14, 2017= 9:52 PM
To:=C2=A0After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject:=C2=A0Re: [AE] Cache bugs w= ith expressions
=C2=A0
I've had numerous cache issues with 2014, 2015, = 2017 (haven't pushed 2018 yet). Not just with expressions either, it ha= ppens with plain timelines, convoluted timelines. No rhyme or reason. It ju= st loves to hold onto old cache data. I can't replicate it, it just doe= s it when it wants to. I just learned to keep the Purge All Cache shortcut = handy. "Ctrl + Alt + /" on PC.

David Torno
= --------------------
www.sydefxink.com=C2=A0(work history)
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https://vimeo.com/davidtorno= =C2=A0(work samples & breakdowns)
=C2=A0
"The most useless day is that in which we do n= ot laugh"
-Charles Field


On Dec 14, 2017, at 6:12 PM, Chris Zwar <= AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I=E2=80=99m playing round with a project tha= t is based on an expression and I=E2=80=99m running into lots of cache bugs= .=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m currently using CC 2017.=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99m just wondering if = others have come across similar problems and if there are any workarounds.<= br>
The project I have uses a fairly lengthy expression which is applied= to a text layer.=C2=A0 The expression is also reading values from a slider= .=C2=A0 Other layers are then reading the output text of the text layer (ie= the expression results) which controls their time-remapping values.
It doesn=E2=80=99t take much for AE to stop working properly.=C2=A0 I can = move sliders around and nothing changes.=C2=A0 I can completely change valu= es and yet the RAM preview will play the same thing over and over.=C2=A0 I = can delete all keyframes, so in theory nothing should be moving at all, yet= scrubbing in the timeline still shows things moving around.

Basical= ly, what I am trying to do is totally breaking AE=E2=80=99s cache system.
While I will report my problems to Adobe and will send them a project= , I am wondering if there are some simple steps to avoid these issues.
D= oes anyone know if making layers shy, or setting them to guide layers, effe= cts the way the preview system works?=C2=A0 In previous versions, enabling = motion blur has fixed cache bugs but this doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be the ca= se here.=C2=A0 I can RAM preview something and set the same thing off as a = BG render and get two different results=E2=80=A6

Any suggestions?
-Chris
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