From: "Allen Ellis" Received: from mail-it0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6392198 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 00:37:53 +0100 Received: by mail-it0-f41.google.com with SMTP id b77so7980487itd.0 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Z0Iu+RSG80Vo+DdtYFdF7+UKVryYnsgQyWZPvaNrpIo=; b=lt/OqSC625WhuSKHXXbEeDJ8bSGaEXles0utUD4wTqoFysxciCDYLZqcKiSzqYG/1B Oxf2o4rQIcqPAxGaG+stM4OwX2hz/X6pFCrggSj+79MsYgM8P+2/vJ8VNw1A6tMOkKJb D63nPTpmaFIlWrcfxCUw8n9N/EYzPFtGr3SsPVHcV4tdIQCu6ZxxueV9GK6y2tR9cGD1 xUYwkMtNjj+aMoHoIBmbVzTHmQLIA89UW6Fx18utRmW8n+8jgRsJuplKysozoJWTWbAj K0EwuZkjkA0uIcnegs7rHf3Ckvhei1kR+zu0FMoixBbRK9c9P/XBQqEBHjcljWfFyaYB S8TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Z0Iu+RSG80Vo+DdtYFdF7+UKVryYnsgQyWZPvaNrpIo=; b=Se5+kGYc32cMoTDKCaEdp1SZXsWOxZyuq9wWaSjaivTBsB6uhI8jRKe0RK/8d/0c6P S9EQzPZL3vTiw6wXlRH4e3bMN/47thBUwk03UDieH3xZc3L9S01uBtreJSleVHrNhHya qpcCZ72XoOUnWSuj444QuhOm9Xiwb2HvJmmSmljvBILEoptJrdTY1xcmnTcooOghEf7r 4qOEgVRBTaCyBNXZaTEKvE0aupXLmpkzsKWQP6nC6uqE98S1BFBtzoso2lXu8yl0zJzn NdmzOgUbhRW5Qm75gxhYTufZaTHF6f9OoNOwa9W+poI4Q4u/5M3Bl80KhavzjOpnCS3/ jPTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcTsPuSAuomyiBnHTg9hJZ0CYs8Y4Xd7G66vB7xQuKz1dVeT4QL E+JGDudFNAnqfEsYkfqvNThxsfPhbwn5IoH8BlO6rA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x227yN9R06HRUfIKAa8ZWp5xSWGaQ0jC7/Y3FshE8bPWIqTLSytIJajLzsuHN7fBZTy9nUgj6TnZe7w1/u9YrRtY= X-Received: by 10.36.73.204 with SMTP id e73mr6282529itd.85.1516578032219; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:40:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.2.33.27 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jan 2018 15:39:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2018 18:39:51 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) PC Users, how often do you do a clean install of the OS? Alternatives? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11c14ba6e27b90056351d6fe" --001a11c14ba6e27b90056351d6fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Carey, that list looks brilliant and I'm going to give it a shot this week. Which program do you use for the image creation / restore? I've tried veeam agent but the last time I tried it, I had some issues loading an image from a network share. Allen Ellis (724) 316-5484 http://allenellis.com On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Robert Houghton wrote: > Fantastic tip Carey, thanks. I did notice in the most recent Creators > update of windows 10 that they have renamed their "Fresh Start" feature. = It > seems to streamline the process on Windows side at least. I do keep proje= ct > files and similar items on a separate hard drive array which generally > keeps them safe from OS harm in the event of a problem and then there's a > live backup NAS I have running as well as File History. I operate under t= he > thought that anyone who operates without backups in this day and age > invites disaster. > > - Robert H > > On 10/10/2017 7:52 AM, Carey Dissmore wrote: > > Years ago on Mac, and today on PC, I made the determination that clean in= stalls were always a benefit on a machine that I depend on to make a living= and frankly put through a pounding of daily abuse. So I set about to minim= izing the pain of the clean install. I don=E2=80=99t have time to go into d= etails here but the overall schema looks like this: > > Prep: > Collect all your installers and serial numbers, etc. Build a text file co= ntaining all this necessary data. > Work out an installation order that makes sense. Something like this: > 1. OS + updates > 2. Drivers > 3. Critical apps and their plugins (certain drivers, like Blackmagic ones= , are best installed after the apps they empower) > 4. Utilities and other second tier apps > > Place your installers in numbered order folders to ease this. Order your = text file to the same order. Now you have a plan for your clean install. On= ce built, very easily updated. I keep all the installers and these notes on= a NAS drive. > > Install in the order above, making any notes about decisions you made or = things you encountered in your text file. > MAKE A DISK IMAGE after each phase of the install above. Park it somewher= e safe (external drive, NAS, etc.) > > After a week or two into the install you will have made your final adjust= ments to various system settings, etc. it might be a good idea to make anot= her image of your boot drive at this point. KEEP ALL THESE IMAGES but now s= top making them. > > Use your machine. If you end up grabbing updates or installing things in = the weeks or months after this, open up your text file and make a note of i= t. > > At any time you feel system weirdness or slowdowns entering the picture, = revert to your image (probably the latest but perhaps back to one of your e= arlier points). You have your text file to guide you as to what is and is n= ot part of that image and you can update things after the restore very quic= kly. > > This way you can revert back to clean install as often as necessary (I av= erage 4-6 months) to remain at tip-top performance, without much pain at al= l. > > Then, after a year or two when there have been other events such as major= OS or app changes, or perhaps you have switched computers or hardware, you= need to start a total new clean install. Repeat from the beginning at that= point. You will still be in better place having the organizational infrast= ructure in place. > > carey > > > > On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:52 AM, Evan Fotis Georgoulakis wrote: > > For what its worth, I still have a 2011 win 7x64 rig by my side still wor= king perfectly. > The old cliche applies here "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".. > > However there are many utilities for image & backup / restore from Acroni= s, O&O and other companies that streamline the process. > > > On 09-Oct-17 22:49, Robert Houghton wrote: > > Good afternoon, > > =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD Ever since I can remember, I've always took t= ime each year or two to format my workstation & laptop and do a clean insta= llation of whatever current version of windows on it. It always seemed kind= of harsh and could easily take the better part of half a workday to repopu= late it with the apps and plugins I use on it. > > =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD I'm starting to get the itch to do that once = again and it just made me wonder with how much smarter OS's and apps have b= een, is there an alternative people use instead of doing a full system wipe= for maintenance of the OS and all it's billions of digital parts? > > =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD - Robert H > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > --001a11c14ba6e27b90056351d6fe Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Carey, that list looks brilliant and I'm going = to give it a shot this week. Which program do you use for the image creatio= n / restore? I've tried veeam agent but the last time I tried it, I had= some issues loading an image from a network share.

Allen Ellis
(724) 31= 6-5484

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Robert Houg= hton <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Fantastic tip Carey, thanks. I did notice in the most recent Creators update of windows 10 that they have renamed their "Fresh Start" feature. It seems to streamli= ne the process on Windows side at least. I do keep project files and similar items on a separate hard drive array which generally keeps them safe from OS harm in the event of a problem and then there's a live backup NAS I have running as well as File History. I operate under the thought that anyone who operates without backups in this day and age invites disaster.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Robert H


On 10/10/2017 7:52 = AM, Carey Dissmore wrote:
Years ago on Mac, and today on PC, I made the determination that=
 clean installs were always a benefit on a machine that I depend on to make=
 a living and frankly put through a pounding of daily abuse. So I set about=
 to minimizing the pain of the clean install. I don=E2=80=99t have time to =
go into details here but the overall schema looks like this:

Prep:
Collect all your installers and serial numbers, etc. Build a text file cont=
aining all this necessary data.
Work out an installation order that makes sense. Something like this:
1. OS + updates
2. Drivers
3. Critical apps and their plugins (certain drivers, like Blackmagic ones, =
are best installed after the apps they empower)
4. Utilities and other second tier apps

Place your installers in numbered order folders to ease this. Order your te=
xt file to the same order. Now you have a plan for your clean install. Once=
 built, very easily updated. I keep all the installers and these notes on a=
 NAS drive.

Install in the order above, making any notes about decisions you made or th=
ings you encountered in your text file.=20
MAKE A DISK IMAGE after each phase of the install above. Park it somewhere =
safe (external drive, NAS, etc.)

After a week or two into the install you will have made your final adjustme=
nts to various system settings, etc. it might be a good idea to make anothe=
r image of your boot drive at this point. KEEP ALL THESE IMAGES but now sto=
p making them.=20

Use your machine. If you end up grabbing updates or installing things in th=
e weeks or months after this, open up your text file and make a note of it.=
=20

At any time you feel system weirdness or slowdowns entering the picture, re=
vert to your image (probably the latest but perhaps back to one of your ear=
lier points). You have your text file to guide you as to what is and is not=
 part of that image and you can update things after the restore very quickl=
y.

This way you can revert back to clean install as often as necessary (I aver=
age 4-6 months) to remain at tip-top performance, without much pain at all.=
=20

Then, after a year or two when there have been other events such as major O=
S or app changes, or perhaps you have switched computers or hardware, you n=
eed to start a total new clean install. Repeat from the beginning at that p=
oint. You will still be in better place having the organizational infrastru=
cture in place.

carey



On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:52 AM, Evan Fotis Georgoulakis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For what its worth, I still have a 2011 win 7x64 rig by my side still worki=
ng perfectly.
The old cliche applies here "If it ain't broke, don't fix it&q=
uot;..

However there are many utilities for image & backup / restore from Acro=
nis, O&O and other companies that streamline the process.


On 09-Oct-17 22:49, Robert Houghton wrote:

Good afternoon,

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD Ever since I can remember, I've always took=
 time each year or two to format my workstation & laptop and do a clean=
 installation of whatever current version of windows on it. It always seeme=
d kind of harsh and could easily take the better part of half a workday to =
repopulate it with the apps and plugins I use on it.

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD I'm starting to get the itch to do that onc=
e again and it just made me wonder with how much smarter OS's and apps =
have been, is there an alternative people use instead of doing a full syste=
m wipe for maintenance of the OS and all it's billions of digital parts=
?

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD - Robert H

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