From: "Carey Dissmore" Received: from mail-it0-f52.google.com ([209.85.214.52] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6394489 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 27 Jan 2018 02:04:50 +0100 Received: by mail-it0-f52.google.com with SMTP id c16so2517789itc.5 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imugonline-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=dMCOSTCm8gdrzlMamxDNziy7zAkwENjhale8YoUHt4M=; b=vULvci8j4czfQDl5doGZ/nF8IktK/Ud4FqZgQJ8l2U0z4d+KS5J6uQzM+jyx6pB/8n Zd28fmXmsDdgKThEdEFErQEvrUObfepcP+yek1aOjd+v+fhcSZZdLxu7Hd+OOKX4pNLE K6Xr3nxl/W6oIyiBiENrBAG8pU4LDOXEtqgdSwJsY6NVhTM5ER+4V6zq2rWRRcmK9EgO wwrnrOlEvP6V1Pp9xqZTw0+vlJbmnnYoB29eCfFAjV8cbzqSUVHlCLJ/wSIe6/mU70Nu dYjWBMZMsnZVCjwCbRv4QgGFEqatwy1M1/Ma5BqcmXd11VsriFUczPWcWi3+EVHqw0m8 d2CA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=dMCOSTCm8gdrzlMamxDNziy7zAkwENjhale8YoUHt4M=; b=dn3JFc8o/myM3OKqt5BqJ+13zOHm0+U3y287AtbWu1cr0TmalOCsyIHqsCq081GU4k vTC0GUUatfElMHgJjwLIlcDRajcSSH8fvG9WL2FgpDQLhHEDgpxN5TkrhE1zBrCJVqnK O0FxARWC48hAE7VA8fYtJtBqHAIeu9P8ctclk9A86IA3/btpTe2wzHj821lm5bc1Im8K zwinpDNCaKV14yhSYApOFpWqG2ZQAWwImHuqEiDQvDQvE+m4fzLELdxO5/Rila6jefjm EfJWH5KemqKyN0kjgS+3Dnd/QdMoYrz1fo1fvULmWkWvhoXr6A8Lur5sGGPy3/o08clu +Dbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytcUPqR5Rj8H5/r6uf1riAK55NbasO6zAQx+fDGzlgeky+stfT7I NIwdTlcD0zy78z7Bs7JdQqgyVWP9VXM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225emWLMrCn1+7Tv/8rhMDpoMrI2w2Rwkr9yrPFNiX0rVa6XOjzoAZZY7GVEzjI1FcWsruGJOg== X-Received: by 10.36.80.11 with SMTP id m11mr5203591itb.3.1517015258981; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:07:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2600:380:6831:3b8f:396a:26b:9e86:da97? ([2600:380:6831:3b8f:396a:26b:9e86:da97]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m63sm2836530itm.12.2018.01.26.17.07.37 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:07:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_24D21D34-6096-4978-B3FA-4FEE4BDE9CEC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [AE] (OT) PC Users, how often do you do a clean install of the OS? Alternatives? Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 19:07:36 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) --Apple-Mail=_24D21D34-6096-4978-B3FA-4FEE4BDE9CEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve used Macrium Reflect Free but currently using (paid) = Acronis True Image. While it has the ability to write to network drives, I have found it to = be problematic and unreliable, so I have started to use an external USB = 3 drive for the images=E2=80=A6but I do make a safety copy of them onto = the NAS. carey > On Jan 21, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Allen Ellis = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Carey, that list looks brilliant and I'm going to give it a = shot this week. Which program do you use for the image creation / = restore? I've tried veeam agent but the last time I tried it, I had some = issues loading an image from a network share. >=20 > Allen Ellis > (724) 316-5484 > http://allenellis.com > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Robert Houghton = > wrote: > Fantastic tip Carey, thanks. I did notice in the most recent Creators = update of windows 10 that they have renamed their "Fresh Start" feature. = It seems to streamline the process on Windows side at least. I do keep = project files and similar items on a separate hard drive array which = generally keeps them safe from OS harm in the event of a problem and = then there's a live backup NAS I have running as well as File History. I = operate under the thought that anyone who operates without backups in = this day and age invites disaster. >=20 > - Robert H >=20 > On 10/10/2017 7:52 AM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >> Years ago on Mac, and today on PC, I made the determination that = clean installs were always a benefit on a machine that I depend on to = make a living and frankly put through a pounding of daily abuse. So I = set about to minimizing the pain of the clean install. I don=E2=80=99t = have time to go into details here but the overall schema looks like = this: >>=20 >> Prep: >> Collect all your installers and serial numbers, etc. Build a text = file containing all this necessary data. >> Work out an installation order that makes sense. Something like this: >> 1. OS + updates >> 2. Drivers >> 3. Critical apps and their plugins (certain drivers, like Blackmagic = ones, are best installed after the apps they empower) >> 4. Utilities and other second tier apps >>=20 >> Place your installers in numbered order folders to ease this. Order = your text file to the same order. Now you have a plan for your clean = install. Once built, very easily updated. I keep all the installers and = these notes on a NAS drive. >>=20 >> Install in the order above, making any notes about decisions you made = or things you encountered in your text file.=20 >> MAKE A DISK IMAGE after each phase of the install above. Park it = somewhere safe (external drive, NAS, etc.) >>=20 >> After a week or two into the install you will have made your final = adjustments to various system settings, etc. it might be a good idea to = make another image of your boot drive at this point. KEEP ALL THESE = IMAGES but now stop making them.=20 >>=20 >> Use your machine. If you end up grabbing updates or installing things = in the weeks or months after this, open up your text file and make a = note of it.=20 >>=20 >> At any time you feel system weirdness or slowdowns entering the = picture, revert to your image (probably the latest but perhaps back to = one of your earlier points). You have your text file to guide you as to = what is and is not part of that image and you can update things after = the restore very quickly. >>=20 >> This way you can revert back to clean install as often as necessary = (I average 4-6 months) to remain at tip-top performance, without much = pain at all.=20 >>=20 >> Then, after a year or two when there have been other events such as = major OS or app changes, or perhaps you have switched computers or = hardware, you need to start a total new clean install. Repeat from the = beginning at that point. You will still be in better place having the = organizational infrastructure in place. >>=20 >> carey >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:52 AM, Evan Fotis Georgoulakis = wrote: >>>=20 >>> For what its worth, I still have a 2011 win 7x64 rig by my side = still working perfectly. >>> The old cliche applies here "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".. >>>=20 >>> However there are many utilities for image & backup / restore from = Acronis, O&O and other companies that streamline the process. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 09-Oct-17 22:49, Robert Houghton wrote: >>>> Good afternoon, >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD Ever since I can remember, I've always = took time each year or two to format my workstation & laptop and do a = clean installation of whatever current version of windows on it. It = always seemed kind of harsh and could easily take the better part of = half a workday to repopulate it with the apps and plugins I use on it. >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD I'm starting to get the itch to do that = once again and it just made me wonder with how much smarter OS's and = apps have been, is there an alternative people use instead of doing a = full system wipe for maintenance of the OS and all it's billions of = digital parts? >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD - Robert H >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to = >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to = >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to = >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_24D21D34-6096-4978-B3FA-4FEE4BDE9CEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve used Macrium Reflect Free but currently using = (paid) Acronis True Image.
While it has the ability to = write to network drives, I have found it to be problematic and = unreliable, so I have started to use an external USB 3 drive for the = images=E2=80=A6but I do make a safety copy of them onto the = NAS.

carey
On Jan 21, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Allen Ellis = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Carey, that list looks brilliant and I'm going to give = it a shot this week. Which program do you use for the image creation / = restore? I've tried veeam agent but the last time I tried it, I had some = issues loading an image from a network share.

Allen Ellis
(724) 316-5484
http://allenellis.com

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:05 = PM, Robert Houghton <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
=20 =20 =20

Fantastic tip Carey, thanks. I did notice in the most recent Creators update of windows 10 that they have renamed their "Fresh Start" feature. It seems to streamline the process on Windows side at least. I do keep project files and similar items on a separate hard drive array which generally keeps them safe from OS harm in the event of a problem and then there's a live backup NAS I have running as well as File History. I operate under the thought that anyone who operates without backups in this day and age invites = disaster.

    - Robert H


On 10/10/2017 = 7:52 AM, Carey Dissmore wrote:
Years ago on Mac, and today on PC, I made the =
determination that clean installs were always a benefit on a machine =
that I depend on to make a living and frankly put through a pounding of =
daily abuse. So I set about to minimizing the pain of the clean install. =
I don=E2=80=99t have time to go into details here but the overall schema =
looks like this:

Prep:
Collect all your installers and serial numbers, etc. Build a text file =
containing all this necessary data.
Work out an installation order that makes sense. Something like this:
1. OS + updates
2. Drivers
3. Critical apps and their plugins (certain drivers, like Blackmagic =
ones, are best installed after the apps they empower)
4. Utilities and other second tier apps

Place your installers in numbered order folders to ease this. Order your =
text file to the same order. Now you have a plan for your clean install. =
Once built, very easily updated. I keep all the installers and these =
notes on a NAS drive.

Install in the order above, making any notes about decisions you made or =
things you encountered in your text file.=20
MAKE A DISK IMAGE after each phase of the install above. Park it =
somewhere safe (external drive, NAS, etc.)

After a week or two into the install you will have made your final =
adjustments to various system settings, etc. it might be a good idea to =
make another image of your boot drive at this point. KEEP ALL THESE =
IMAGES but now stop making them.=20

Use your machine. If you end up grabbing updates or installing things in =
the weeks or months after this, open up your text file and make a note =
of it.=20

At any time you feel system weirdness or slowdowns entering the picture, =
revert to your image (probably the latest but perhaps back to one of =
your earlier points). You have your text file to guide you as to what is =
and is not part of that image and you can update things after the =
restore very quickly.

This way you can revert back to clean install as often as necessary (I =
average 4-6 months) to remain at tip-top performance, without much pain =
at all.=20

Then, after a year or two when there have been other events such as =
major OS or app changes, or perhaps you have switched computers or =
hardware, you need to start a total new clean install. Repeat from the =
beginning at that point. You will still be in better place having the =
organizational infrastructure in place.

carey



On Oct 10, 2017, at 1:52 AM, Evan Fotis =
Georgoulakis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For what its worth, I still have a 2011 win 7x64 rig by my side still =
working perfectly.
The old cliche applies here "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"..

However there are many utilities for image & backup / restore from =
Acronis, O&O and other companies that streamline the process.


On 09-Oct-17 22:49, Robert Houghton wrote:

Good afternoon,

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD Ever since I can remember, I've always took =
time each year or two to format my workstation & laptop and do a =
clean installation of whatever current version of windows on it. It =
always seemed kind of harsh and could easily take the better part of =
half a workday to repopulate it with the apps and plugins I use on it.

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD I'm starting to get the itch to do that once =
again and it just made me wonder with how much smarter OS's and apps =
have been, is there an alternative people use instead of doing a full =
system wipe for maintenance of the OS and all it's billions of digital =
parts?

=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD=EF=BF=BD - Robert H

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