From: "Greg Balint" Received: from mail-yw0-f174.google.com ([209.85.161.174] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6416546 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 14:28:24 +0100 Received: by mail-yw0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y186so1085900ywf.7 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 05:32:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :user-agent; bh=hwjUP9jnU4J9u5AIW+KJcP7Bmgjx7n+RKg3aqGw8rxc=; b=A14hFeK0OWQHtXRUPGgg5MlNKehBdaQMb7VzP5aYcm1KV7EdZbN8GtfHH9cqZIe5C6 5L2ph6pDO6nZ22RsyA6eQkPVA88o7bGFnPAA+tcFbBayb022fY6vfebrwCIu0Jp23dqO mDfdkJhHZicKr7GtNypU+MH9tI7dSu1mZiQe3ofTCBW7+x9MhCueUf60jBFVVKDgfPB/ J+c6PljKdcwNxznai0YDYta0y0/M/YtEfkJkpk8w2ZyiP9mVa8H1P0DCul4L7IRc84fR meIIYvRVwbzhN+PhKELDVzrNtK/48wKO4OJVheKqk0xajLqPxJ6gtxVQPxpmfP0jscF+ ThTw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:references:user-agent; bh=hwjUP9jnU4J9u5AIW+KJcP7Bmgjx7n+RKg3aqGw8rxc=; b=bW1M1bH8eWO0/qNPtSpnuvn8Arhe7tRSNMOVzkasKCMvFZLn+jiDjT4Dc2WDEI1hul clyaj3xBcWDYKcjuMpUmZsajLJ4Sjx0emoi5ekUw79FNhK2badzlAS39MGLtypGBwVTg D53EuQTR8nQlBgukO7SpcovCqiaPIOuAV224Fp44/n74MN9iRfWf2lNd8sSS6+4etmXv KqkA7MGH4VO+6lH9cdTqRXQdWOvXJJEp24GFJSKMEKvmrgSNsGy3VbDHJAe4D0+Dw7kk LycuZaTSN5pFy4fe4Zo1wCj8c0ju+2yC/ffx/n+29SBR+8Y2001+bbj9qiE9ydEp9ARk SW7w== X-Gm-Message-State: APf1xPBafoZvMc8HOp2RlTJVWxlGeaJgAkwl2NCvi7qnCoGVUKuRlvin +gEpJc5v2Cl67ngbr8FwaO103ZOq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELtbMUb4NlFI8pDTix5uu7KYPBpcGZ0YiMS5pyfXS7syCeFwdojlNL8VSQSq2N4bOepRjHCcJg== X-Received: by 10.129.38.70 with SMTP id m67mr19188946ywm.490.1520602358118; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 05:32:38 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.100] (citrix.olanmills.com. [66.18.39.205]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t131sm318483ywe.77.2018.03.09.05.32.37 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Mar 2018 05:32:37 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_40600822.223803454749" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 08:32:15 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed To: "Nathan Shipley" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Mailbird/2.5.1.0 X-Mailbird-ID: cc667262-e8ac-4678-a100-1130795d439e@getmailbird.com ------=_NextPart_40600822.223803454749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think first/last is the way to go.. last names would be odd to me.=C2=A0 hope i've helped some. =C2=A0Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on the s= creen and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a sponsor= ed contest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we needed to pu= t ALL of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were "special sponso= rs" which got bigger placement. This all had to fit into one frame and it w= as like 3-4 seconds long at the end of the spot.. needless to say it was a = smattering of a shot, but whatever.. we fulfilled our duty to show their lo= go.. I think we even had some sponsors call and ask to be rearranged becaus= e they didn't want to be shown next to some other company's logo as well. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com [http://www.delrazor.com/]/ On 3/8/2018 10:50:42 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: Thanks Greg very helpful. Do you think by last name or first name is going = to be better? =C2=A0 But I=E2=80=99m not surprised. I would have not asked for feedback if I tho= ught I was not in trouble. =C2=A0 From: After Effects Mail List Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:20 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed =C2=A0 I know you don't want to hear this, but to be honest it took quite a long t= ime for me to find that name. =C2=A0 I have a 110" screen with a projector and put it up on there with chromecas= t and had to replay the video about 6 times, eventually pausing it to have = a long enough time to read through.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 To be honest, I wouldn't worry too much if you can't catch your own name on= here, but I know some people would. I've had small credits in things befor= e and have completely missed them in live showing, because there's just too= much on screen to sift through.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I do have a couple suggestions that may help though.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Considering you're fighting for space and time to get all these names up, I= found it odd that you've used such large gutters between each column. You = could almost bring the size of the font up a few points, lose a column's wo= rth of names from each column, and then make a whole extra column and still= have plenty of empty space between them.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Maybe also use a less condensed font if the same style to allow the names t= o be a bit more prominent. =C2=A0 Just my $0.02.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Stephen van Vuuren wrote: Okay this is basic and not polished. Again, this is for theaters, probably = the smallest screen this is on is a larger multiplex. I=E2=80=99ve picked a font and basic layout that I hope most people can fin= d themselves but gets a lot of names on a screen. I=E2=80=99m not too worri= ed about =E2=80=9Cthanks folks=E2=80=9D it=E2=80=99s other people. So for purposes of this test, you are person named Jenny Batista that worke= d on the film in doing Photoshop cleanup. Do you find your name in 10 secon= ds? If not, how long. Right now this gives me around 240 names per (would h= ave 6 of these) so leaves time for other screens with less names and longer= views. https://vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd10e [https://vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd= 10e] Also need feedback on readability =E2=80=93 but even if smaller fonts are r= eadable, finding your name gets harder and harder. Best, stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =C2=A0 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ [http://www.insaturnsrings.com/] =C2=A0 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fictio= n. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to ------=_NextPart_40600822.223803454749 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A I think firs= t/last is the way to go.. last names would be odd to me. 

hope = i've helped some.  Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on the screen= and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a sponsored co= ntest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we needed to put ALL= of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were "special sponsors" w= hich got bigger placement. This all had to fit into one frame and it was li= ke 3-4 seconds long at the end of the spot.. needless to say it was a smatt= ering of a shot, but whatever.. we fulfilled our duty to show their logo.. = I think we even had some sponsors call and ask to be rearranged because the= y didn't want to be shown next to some other company's logo as well.
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I know you= don't want to hear this, but to be honest it took quite a long time for me= to find that name.

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To be= honest, I wouldn't worry too much if you can't catch your own name on here= , but I know some people would. I've had small credits in things before and= have completely missed them in live showing, because there's just too much= on screen=0A to sift through. 

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Stephen van Vuuren &= lt;AE-List@media-motion.tv&g= t; wrote:

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Okay this is b= asic and not polished. Again, this is for theaters, probably the smallest s= creen this is on is a larger multiplex.
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