From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6416578 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 15:52:10 +0100 Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l191-v6so13584828lfe.1 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:56:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wKptJCvCYWUx77FYytExC2D7+A3lWxM7nlJhES3jkC4=; b=lF7WgKKW/97qd20DDGtOGoFDVV+kbhPoTr3OlPQZqzma/cD8Zl+8WSd5JwTJGbQRnN 6DMEdjXthTVCPupqQk98lMMydr2thYq4gkGHaW79eseYc6TZ+iECQSI9x9xY8909hAiy 1N6z/GL4qswRl9vi0gBOWPjuzUXzi7u+1XfaPCLhy2kx8uTcnmm3zjx/ETyl4zy8TQL7 6WRyTklS1RLvsk1ePVHmqOWLU0i4ndbRsuViabZ/Snp7mgHyr+d7ztdyD6PTTsjFlpWw s+P31ya4s6FqErDd2k6nAmvga387utLjL6YcYj9bowtChRRYrEEpWLSUMPcCkcj40dXL HpBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wKptJCvCYWUx77FYytExC2D7+A3lWxM7nlJhES3jkC4=; b=JtkTp8WzhzpI+JbLkRq42ms+hBNxSjKR+EoAmR5emG/TZPjrJD2Dh0zJ5UxeUNy2YU wBLS3GtcFNfK78BED6UACQW7HEr0cGY5We15RWEdMjnEVOYynMxecmHIPlNf/H4+OdSN iLpZZS2viGGLHBfqWPKTktcIcdMAjNQVlFs6p4URITBsniPgjcihXV0vzV+atNVWaSgD 6KoMYIhXIJ5I3fKGw3VnNev6MPYQUgCw2lAp7dhUC2dKIgRDSKhm6FZrma45/CAgFYSq VJbv14Wmgbx5zX3LiIL1Bp01DNw2AkXrtwCyHk642MWrwBlz1vlCgQ5JDJM/M2ifnqyt w7xQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EJ5dKnpVDho+47Dh/eJ6wmI2djFi0Gw1AzAMVicIFQ0cmsCURI /k1ZWSKDwH1zmkYHwoHBppPR+uuLa6RG7sRuBq0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvwYPPJM22HEtHWznb4VFs1Srglr/1HhmBrGwU46c7EXSHpoZ/E1SWrBOk56ixFXEtLsHAgWxM5MNTvdzpfkeU= X-Received: by 10.25.35.199 with SMTP id j190mr22753862lfj.23.1520607384897; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 06:56:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.46.95.19 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Mar 2018 06:56:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:56:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a113a80da050e6b0566fbffbd" --001a113a80da050e6b0566fbffbd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One comment on the setup that in my opinion would make it faster to read or find a specfic name. Left justify all names in each column, that way all names with eg. "R" would be way faster to find :-) Robert 2018-03-09 15:04 GMT+01:00 Stephen van Vuuren : > Thanks guys! > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Friday, March 9, 2018 8:32 AM > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed > > > > I think first/last is the way to go.. last names would be odd to me. > > hope i've helped some. Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on the > screen and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a > sponsored contest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we > needed to put ALL of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were > "special sponsors" which got bigger placement. This all had to fit into o= ne > frame and it was like 3-4 seconds long at the end of the spot.. needless = to > say it was a smattering of a shot, but whatever.. we fulfilled our duty t= o > show their logo.. I think we even had some sponsors call and ask to be > rearranged because they didn't want to be shown next to some other > company's logo as well. > > > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 <(321)%20514-4839> > delRAZOR.com / > > On 3/8/2018 10:50:42 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: > > Thanks Greg very helpful. Do you think by last name or first name is goin= g > to be better? > > > > But I=E2=80=99m not surprised. I would have not asked for feedback if I t= hought I > was not in trouble. > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:20 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed > > > > I know you don't want to hear this, but to be honest it took quite a long > time for me to find that name. > > > > I have a 110" screen with a projector and put it up on there with > chromecast and had to replay the video about 6 times, eventually pausing = it > to have a long enough time to read through. > > > > To be honest, I wouldn't worry too much if you can't catch your own name > on here, but I know some people would. I've had small credits in things > before and have completely missed them in live showing, because there's > just too much on screen to sift through. > > > > I do have a couple suggestions that may help though. > > > > Considering you're fighting for space and time to get all these names up, > I found it odd that you've used such large gutters between each column. Y= ou > could almost bring the size of the font up a few points, lose a column's > worth of names from each column, and then make a whole extra column and > still have plenty of empty space between them. > > > > Maybe also use a less condensed font if the same style to allow the names > to be a bit more prominent. > > > > Just my $0.02. > > > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: > > Okay this is basic and not polished. Again, this is for theaters, probabl= y > the smallest screen this is on is a larger multiplex. > > I=E2=80=99ve picked a font and basic layout that I hope most people can f= ind > themselves but gets a lot of names on a screen. I=E2=80=99m not too worri= ed about > =E2=80=9Cthanks folks=E2=80=9D it=E2=80=99s other people. > > So for purposes of this test, you are person named Jenny Batista that > worked on the film in doing Photoshop cleanup. Do you find your name in 1= 0 > seconds? If not, how long. Right now this gives me around 240 names per > (would have 6 of these) so leaves time for other screens with less names > and longer views. > > https://vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd10e > > Also need feedback on readability =E2=80=93 but even if smaller fonts are > readable, finding your name gets harder and harder. > > Best, > > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 <(336)%20202-4777> > > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fict= ion. It should be > a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the= emotion, > the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > --001a113a80da050e6b0566fbffbd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
One comment on the setup that in my opinion would make it = faster to read or find a specfic name. Left justify all names in each colum= n, that way all names with eg. "R" would be way faster to find :-= )

Robert

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2018-03-09 15:04 GMT+01:00 Stephen van Vuure= n <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:

Thanks guys!

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From: After Effects Mail Lis= t <AE-List@= media-motion.tv>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:32 AM


To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed

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I think first/last is the way to go.. las= t names would be odd to me.=C2=A0

hope i've helped some.=C2=A0 Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on t= he screen and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a spo= nsored contest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we needed t= o put ALL of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were "special sponsors" which got bigger placement= . This all had to fit into one frame and it was like 3-4 seconds long at th= e end of the spot.. needless to say it was a smattering of a shot, but what= ever.. we fulfilled our duty to show their logo.. I think we even had some sponsors call and ask to be rearranged bec= ause they didn't want to be shown next to some other company's logo= as well.

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///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/= 321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/<= u>

On 3/8/2018 10:50:42 PM, Stephen= van Vuuren <ae-list@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Greg very helpful. Do you think by= last name or first name is going to be better?

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But I=E2=80=99m not surprised. I would ha= ve not asked for feedback if I thought I was not in trouble.<= /span>

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From: After Effe= cts Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:20 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed

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I know you don't want to hear this, b= ut to be honest it took quite a long time for me to find that name.<= u>

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I have a 110" screen with a projecto= r and put it up on there with chromecast and had to replay the video about 6 times, eventually pausing it to have a long enough time to read th= rough.=C2=A0

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To be honest, I wouldn't worry too mu= ch if you can't catch your own name on here, but I know some people would. I've had small credits in things before and have completely mis= sed them in live showing, because there's just too much on screen to si= ft through.=C2=A0

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I do have a couple suggestions that may h= elp though.=C2=A0

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Considering you're fighting for space= and time to get all these names up, I found it odd that you've used such large gutters between each column. You could almost bring the size of= the font up a few points, lose a column's worth of names from each col= umn, and then make a whole extra column and still have plenty of empty spac= e between them.=C2=A0

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Maybe also use a less condensed font if t= he same style to allow the names to be a bit more prominent.<= /span>

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Just my $0.02.=C2=A0

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Stephen van = Vuuren <AE-= List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Okay this is basic and not polished. Agai= n, this is for theaters, probably the smallest screen this is on is a larger multiplex.

I=E2=80=99ve picked a font and basic layout that I hope most people can fin= d themselves but gets a lot of names on a screen. I=E2=80=99m not too worri= ed about =E2=80=9Cthanks folks=E2=80=9D it=E2=80=99s other people.

So for purposes of this test, you are person named Jenny Batista that worke= d on the film in doing Photoshop cleanup. Do you find your name in 10 secon= ds? If not, how long. Right now this gives me around 240 names per (would h= ave 6 of these) so leaves time for other screens with less names and longer views.

https:= //vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd10e

Also need feedback on readability =E2=80=93 but even if smaller fonts are r= eadable, finding your name gets harder and harder.

Best,

stephen van vuuren
3= 36.202.4777
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http://www.ins= aturnsrings.com/
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A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fictio= n. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80= =99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick


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