From: "Phil Spitler" Received: from mail-pl0-f48.google.com ([209.85.160.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6416593 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:26:30 +0100 Received: by mail-pl0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w22-v6so5500734pll.2 for ; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 08:30:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bonfirelabs-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LCoXAPFRO77ap2nKjEnt9s8Dvumil9xUP4pabCBWeHs=; b=rYxiS788AeMCe86OKzxacV7Dq2qiIoUUav9anW1uFomt9wBQWCXXwdBTs5RQCTDsg8 Nq66XhV/pHdi/paF79HknO3ZxCbtHPm25vr8utG4my+9nslA02uV0O7i3W4TrL3eooMs AkraUlUI5AouJs0kUiSMxKXeh8JOVdH0kOA4S95/WIkLyn/lTKMbWft98WqkJsxeX+Q0 AuBr4M3hiajQrvnxtgsdP2kyALXJittrm8Eptxh454idcGMpfkk3Hmq7XdY4hDIqi2ob hqT/MomQf4eRm/102jK+Fh/fTcMjULL5XWorp+e5GXzwJ1QN59ZOhNNaMe9BymFGqMy+ Cu7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:subject:date:references:to :in-reply-to:message-id; bh=LCoXAPFRO77ap2nKjEnt9s8Dvumil9xUP4pabCBWeHs=; b=QWvttlKUKLpHGL2Vv1omTv0NaxMOa38c55a79XuJbU+xjBiYLUHPDG7ISfSEwOXhtU QY/dCWNOsnSv4wVejRHgU4AhGoBJVTz12UXxUK1Bl53ftJmectfP/AO2XSnAKxKmc6EY omo+i/DtGx3fa/zXa00JLv1mGp1WG/9jfctZaNXrbr+mKFjTARzfGFNNZhPx10Uy0yS9 HELAwSt0MEMFf+kTLEcGvS7WJHvNtylZDHgAktYT5n6ocFX3IYJUXObX/lOdNybNZjzA unQLscT3gaokmjmaR2IhRaymAcSYY3OHw0cPMAvu8lIcdxOuignBVWKWDzKe63Ok+JBj PxHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7ERAdYDlCoou4uzSjzV0aEElc+Q3EIQR5A7hLU0kK2wjhBAEHRn enzOJ0LUZ4jeN9urvWNTqBJAWEfmVqk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELvE+e/2fPvYyhSaECcaLM1Ysz19DSj7bCqDSgvnoaU3sof+ry7qmglYwOmelLRa7WSlC9RspQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8a92:: with SMTP id p18-v6mr21344216plo.286.1520613043179; Fri, 09 Mar 2018 08:30:43 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from phils-imac.lan (157-131-170-181.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net. [157.131.170.181]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q2sm3411619pfh.103.2018.03.09.08.30.40 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Mar 2018 08:30:40 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B455B952-B69E-4C96-9A51-B4038EEFF2B2" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:30:38 -0800 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <9B5E6971-70B6-4C5E-AC93-A269B8717EA6@bonfirelabs.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) --Apple-Mail=_B455B952-B69E-4C96-9A51-B4038EEFF2B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I found my name on there (thanks)=E2=80=A6. :-) I agree that left justify is a much quicker read and might be worth = looking at. It should also be first name followed by last (as you have it) Cheers Phil Phil Spitler Creative Technologist =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=80=B9 t 415.394.8200 c 415.571.3139 = = = > On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: >=20 > One comment on the setup that in my opinion would make it faster to = read or find a specfic name. Left justify all names in each column, that = way all names with eg. "R" would be way faster to find :-) >=20 > Robert >=20 >=20 > 2018-03-09 15:04 GMT+01:00 Stephen van Vuuren >: > Thanks guys! >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: After Effects Mail List >=20 > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:32 AM >=20 >=20 > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed >=20 > =20 >=20 > I think first/last is the way to go.. last names would be odd to me.=20= >=20 > hope i've helped some. Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on the = screen and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a = sponsored contest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we = needed to put ALL of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were = "special sponsors" which got bigger placement. This all had to fit into = one frame and it was like 3-4 seconds long at the end of the spot.. = needless to say it was a smattering of a shot, but whatever.. we = fulfilled our duty to show their logo.. I think we even had some = sponsors call and ask to be rearranged because they didn't want to be = shown next to some other company's logo as well. >=20 > =20 >=20 > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com / >=20 > On 3/8/2018 10:50:42 PM, Stephen van Vuuren > wrote: >=20 > Thanks Greg very helpful. Do you think by last name or first name is = going to be better? >=20 > =20 >=20 > But I=E2=80=99m not surprised. I would have not asked for feedback if = I thought I was not in trouble. >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: After Effects Mail List >=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:20 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed >=20 > =20 >=20 > I know you don't want to hear this, but to be honest it took quite a = long time for me to find that name. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I have a 110" screen with a projector and put it up on there with = chromecast and had to replay the video about 6 times, eventually pausing = it to have a long enough time to read through.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > To be honest, I wouldn't worry too much if you can't catch your own = name on here, but I know some people would. I've had small credits in = things before and have completely missed them in live showing, because = there's just too much on screen to sift through.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > I do have a couple suggestions that may help though.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Considering you're fighting for space and time to get all these names = up, I found it odd that you've used such large gutters between each = column. You could almost bring the size of the font up a few points, = lose a column's worth of names from each column, and then make a whole = extra column and still have plenty of empty space between them.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Maybe also use a less condensed font if the same style to allow the = names to be a bit more prominent. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Just my $0.02.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM Stephen van Vuuren = > wrote: >=20 > Okay this is basic and not polished. Again, this is for theaters, = probably the smallest screen this is on is a larger multiplex. >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve picked a font and basic layout that I hope most people = can find themselves but gets a lot of names on a screen. I=E2=80=99m not = too worried about =E2=80=9Cthanks folks=E2=80=9D it=E2=80=99s other = people. >=20 > So for purposes of this test, you are person named Jenny Batista that = worked on the film in doing Photoshop cleanup. Do you find your name in = 10 seconds? If not, how long. Right now this gives me around 240 names = per (would have 6 of these) so leaves time for other screens with less = names and longer views. >=20 > https://vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd10e = >=20 > Also need feedback on readability =E2=80=93 but even if smaller fonts = are readable, finding your name gets harder and harder. >=20 > Best, >=20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > =20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > =20 > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B455B952-B69E-4C96-9A51-B4038EEFF2B2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = found my name on there (thanks)=E2=80=A6. :-)

I agree that left justify is a much = quicker read and might be worth looking at.

It should also be first name followed = by last (as you have it)

Cheers

Phil



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On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:56 AM, Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

One comment on the setup that in my opinion would make it = faster to read or find a specfic name. Left justify all names in each = column, that way all names with eg. "R" would be way faster to find = :-)

Robert


2018-03-09 15:04 GMT+01:00 Stephen = van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:

Thanks guys!

 

From: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 8:32 AM


To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed

 

I think first/last is the way to go.. last names = would be odd to me. 

hope i've helped some.  Sometimes you just gotta get the mess on = the screen and be done with it. I recall having a project one time for a = sponsored contest at a TV station. The contest had 27 sponsors and we = needed to put ALL of them on screen at the same time and 2 of them were "special sponsors" which got bigger placement. This = all had to fit into one frame and it was like 3-4 seconds long at the = end of the spot.. needless to say it was a smattering of a shot, but = whatever.. we fulfilled our duty to show their logo.. I think we even had some sponsors call and ask to be rearranged = because they didn't want to be shown next to some other company's logo = as well.

 

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/

On 3/8/2018 10:50:42 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <ae-list@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Greg very helpful. Do = you think by last name or first name is going to be better?

 

But I=E2=80=99m not surprised. I would have not = asked for feedback if I thought I was not in trouble.

 

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 10:20 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] End Title Test - feedback needed

 

I know you don't want to = hear this, but to be honest it took quite a long time for me to find = that name.

 

I have a 110" screen with a = projector and put it up on there with chromecast and had to replay the = video about 6 times, eventually pausing it to have a long enough time to read = through. 

 

To be honest, I wouldn't = worry too much if you can't catch your own name on here, but I know some = people would. I've had small credits in things before and have completely = missed them in live showing, because there's just too much on screen to = sift through. 

 

I do have a couple = suggestions that may help though. 

 

Considering you're fighting = for space and time to get all these names up, I found it odd that you've = used such large gutters between each column. You could almost bring the size = of the font up a few points, lose a column's worth of names from each = column, and then make a whole extra column and still have plenty of = empty space between them. 

 

Maybe also use a less = condensed font if the same style to allow the names to be a bit more = prominent.

 

Just my $0.02. 

 

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018, 9:55 PM = Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Okay= this is basic and not polished. Again, this is for theaters, probably = the smallest screen this is on is a larger multiplex.

I=E2=80=99ve picked a font and basic layout that I hope most people can = find themselves but gets a lot of names on a screen. I=E2=80=99m not too = worried about =E2=80=9Cthanks folks=E2=80=9D it=E2=80=99s other = people.

So for purposes of this test, you are person named Jenny Batista that = worked on the film in doing Photoshop cleanup. Do you find your name in = 10 seconds? If not, how long. Right now this gives me around 240 names = per (would have 6 of these) so leaves time for other screens with less names and longer views.

https://vimeo.com/259272564/27fbedd10e

Also need feedback on readability =E2=80=93 but even if smaller fonts = are readable, finding your name gets harder and harder.

Best,

stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777
 
http://www.insaturnsrings.com/
 
A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick


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