From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 6444759 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 03 May 2018 02:27:03 +0200 Received: from [10.1.1.99] ([71.87.57.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus003 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MQx68-1elwvH35A6-00UIFd for ; Thu, 03 May 2018 02:33:05 +0200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B529F227-3DE3-4A4E-9778-3BD23D1DF6AF" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Calibrating TV monitors used with computers Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 19:33:03 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4B50A76D-F79E-4F5B-A7B5-D9F5AC5261E5@practicalillusions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZblUfZp7tpJgnLVW9HGNCNk300hm26dgbKsfg1mEbZ3adnnpRx2 YBmPmNrhKIvvaUTyrgY9RTxjjFPJ7ji/Jf02WddDsBaJgVljC05C2AFTxd84tY1WGTRSQr4 474y3n3Lzv7rXg2pXqYiBrOpm7MTmY2j7uHov9LTNrPpVA2VqNNpyDtqGJCjrBVHLI2NeA2 k8GX1g3j/QbgjPDipGkJg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:clUFXiodbZc=:E0fZhhkpAL9m13u21gcUmb qtt9RkI4u3tyY4Ld4YUcNgA9roaQ3maYujANIuA9uNtY03u9kgo22nb9jzSqTtqYk4+Es8gVJ sHmU3M6qAdVhgJ67MSnsEfUcrVUddZOi2pdbE5XTPA3jqv5aZgtY7bHc5BAW/h19kmP+yG0jJ kTbOm4tELV2M5dqkuuxdHfsPjYO/VR4dDWj5Kw/VlPYPZ2bR8M4LTyjzojOTcY7YXuPt+NQdi lXNBcSr5iyv23OXsGy0k/gw7H9GI2NDV7pZwC3Y4AqKC03ZfAcCwZd35Vzk9EJ0QmKs3xo+Qk PEtb56u1ozvzYRnyp3CWiSIyURhvsCmb6U1eHpdHelorC4G6ZS2ET2DKkvWr1doiLmycvVttp onyHvRWT+5Ksb5uZgV0ldg9JSpFUBYWNpucKA8b+w77P1TNlEEcmEJxw/2IIvEdB0YwzdZQOn YGHVd/h59Il4qK5RR7Itwz6vCNypkCkQiGtML67PXXXczXjzB7Z4zRT2uTAfEN22Wyc208PLr zQxceB6grEz5FtcsrJT1yxIHFWB0rzDMtF7aflMNqv6U7JXKl6xLJYfSleUDwFSzJRveXxnzD VYHSeJibjoTi1AHXZIaon5sFKCJBbeX48ZGDeLBkVH/yad+EiYyntnTmMoLotii+UxCU1fEAJ agafK7N0Jh6WhY18XOc/CoWDCB9qk2JN6RaNvm0IzDYc35oEjFu1a2eytWVEFggE58JekQ9Kz k3vLiTEfsgbrhV6F --Apple-Mail=_B529F227-3DE3-4A4E-9778-3BD23D1DF6AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 LG just released new panels in the 42-70 something inch size. 1000nit ! = supports every main flavor of HDR. as for screen calibration, the datacolor spyders are garbage. the xrite = is marginally better. ran the calibration on my 2 dell 27=E2=80=9D 4K = screens and it was a minor difference from factory calibration. if = anything I might guess that the 1-2 years of use they have drifted a = little. one thing I have learned is that these calbrators are very = behind the times in terms of how birght modern panels are and always = want to calibrate your screen to a ridiculous 100 nits which barely = works in a dark room with no windows. so you learn to shut _off_ most of = the options like room light and just calibrate them. the other thing I = do, I=E2=80=99ll set the brightness at 90 or 85%, run the calibration, = then set the brightness 5% higher otherwise you again usually get a = calibration thats too dark and not taking advantage of all the DR a = screen has. eventually they will get it right. S > On May 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Michael Powers = wrote: >=20 > Thnx for the great info Teddy. Our edit suites all have Flanders = Scientific monitors, but we been waiting for four years on higher res = monitors. These were cheap enough. Unless it is video cards or Render = servers we have a tough time getting slated for gear as animators. > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List >=20 > Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 12:41 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] Calibrating TV monitors used with computers > =20 > Also - to add, if you are concerned with broadcast color accuracy I'd = highly recommend a true broadcast quality reference monitor from = somewhere like FSI, that is being fed display from a dedicated = blackmagic PCI-e card. Windows / GPU color output quality is notoriously = bad. It's all about your signal chain > =20 > On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:38 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: > Mike, you're not going to get a close match without a decent hardware = calibration tool like the x-rite i1 display pro creating those profiles = from scratch per monitor. A simple color profile loaded from the = internet is not going to take into account the hardware differences to = each monitor, and is extremely unlikely to match between even the same = brand of monitor, much less different brands and types. You can also = look at Spyder but I've had bad luck with those. And these tools, in the = $150-500 range are really not going to get you more than a close match = between screens. To get true broadcast-quality color-matching and / or = accuracy I'd recommend hiring a professional with a high-end calibration = tool. those can run in the 5 or 6 figures, but you can have them come in = for a day at a reasonable cost and rent their hardware / expertise = depending on your needs > =20 > On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Michael Powers = > wrote: > We recently purchased four Samsung MU7000 40=E2=80=99 monitors ($550) = for our animators. Aside from some annoying edge enhancement, having the = a 4k workspace and an image that looks much closer to the video walls we = mainly use, they are great. > =20 > My question is what is the best way to calibrate them? I have searched = for .icm color profiles, but there doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be any for TV = monitors. Also, is there method for getting true monitors to match the = TV monitors? > =20 --Apple-Mail=_B529F227-3DE3-4A4E-9778-3BD23D1DF6AF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 LG = just released new panels in the 42-70 something inch size. 1000nit ! = supports every main flavor of HDR.

as for screen calibration, the = datacolor spyders are garbage. the xrite is marginally better. ran the = calibration on my 2 dell 27=E2=80=9D 4K screens and it was a minor = difference from factory calibration. if anything I might guess that the = 1-2 years of use they have drifted a little. one thing I have learned is = that these calbrators are very behind the times in terms of how birght = modern panels are and always want to calibrate your screen to a = ridiculous 100 nits which barely works in a dark room with no windows. = so you learn to shut _off_ most of the options like room light and just = calibrate them. the other thing I do, I=E2=80=99ll set the brightness at = 90 or 85%, run the calibration, then set the brightness 5% higher = otherwise you again usually get a calibration thats too dark and not = taking advantage of all the DR a screen has. eventually they will get it = right.

S

On May 2, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Michael Powers <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thnx for = the great info Teddy. Our edit suites all have Flanders Scientific = monitors, but we been waiting for four years on higher res monitors. = These were cheap enough. Unless it is video cards or Render servers we = have a tough time getting slated for gear as animators.
 
From: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 = 12:41 PM
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] Calibrating TV = monitors used with computers
 
Also - to add, if you are = concerned with broadcast color accuracy I'd highly recommend a true = broadcast quality reference monitor from somewhere like FSI, that is = being fed display from a dedicated blackmagic PCI-e card. Windows / GPU = color output quality is notoriously bad. It's all about your signal = chain
 
On Wed, May 2, 2018 at = 12:38 PM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike, you're not going to = get a close match without a decent hardware calibration tool like the = x-rite i1 display pro creating those profiles from scratch per monitor. = A simple color profile loaded from the internet is not going to take = into account the hardware differences to each monitor, and is extremely = unlikely to match between even the same brand of monitor, much less = different brands and types. You can also look at Spyder but I've had bad = luck with those. And these tools, in the $150-500 range are really not = going to get you more than a close match between screens. To get true = broadcast-quality color-matching and / or accuracy I'd recommend hiring = a professional with a high-end calibration tool. those can run in the 5 = or 6 figures, but you can have them come in for a day at a reasonable = cost and rent their hardware / expertise depending on your needs
 
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Michael Powers <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
We = recently purchased four Samsung MU7000 40=E2=80=99 monitors ($550) for = our animators. Aside from some annoying edge enhancement, having the a = 4k workspace and an image that looks much closer to the video walls we = mainly use, they are great.
 
My question is what is the best way to = calibrate them? I have searched for .icm color profiles, but there = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to be any for TV monitors. Also, is there method = for getting true monitors to match the TV monitors?
 
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