From: "Steve Oakley" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Subject: Re: [AE] updating and compatibility
Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 21:06:19 -0500
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thats where we where going with MOX which remains in beta status. =
documented, no patent encumbrances, source code available, already uses =
industry *open* standards like MXF as container.

endless conversations adobe should create and release basically this, so =
a community took this on. really what it needs is testing, maybe some =
tweaks, and better adoption.

otherwise h.264 and Mpeg2 are as close as we get to universal codecs. =
h.264 iframe 10/12 bit 444 is certainly respectable.

as for legacy codecs=E2=80=A6 many of the big ones are supported like =
DV25 / 50 /100, Mpeg2, Animation. PhotoJpeg, Mjpeg A and B would be =
welcome additions. after that, who knows. do we really need or want to =
see cinepak movs of some corp video from 1992 ?=20

the warnings have been out for YEARS this time was coming. I converted a =
lot of stuff a couple years ago, and even in the last few months found =
and converted a bunch of old mov files. that said, SD on a 4K screen is =
a postage stamp of bad quality, never mind a few odd 320 movs. those I =
actually deleted. even the broadcast stuff I had from the late 90=E2=80=99=
s now kind of doesn=E2=80=99t matter much and isn=E2=80=99t so watchable =
anymore=E2=80=A6 well you want to see 98 degrees first national TV =
appearance ? thats was on my reel but I don=E2=80=99t think its so =
entertaining anymore, nor do I show it or most of the stuff I worked on =
even with big names in it from that era just because it looks pretty =
crappy now.

S

> On May 3, 2018, at 7:45 PM, Stephen van Vuuren =
<AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
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> Adobe and other media companies (Avid etc.) should have pressed hard =
that the core codecs used in media files from Apple, Dolby, Microsoft =
etc. should have some type of open source decode/encode for future =
digital preservation.
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> We are not just talking about client files on commercial jobs which is =
a pain. There is massive amount of material (films, television shows, =
documentaries, personal memories) created with those codecs and combine =
that with the poorly thought out rush to dump physical media means there =
will be likely be a greater loss of original masters than in the =
flammable film days.
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> Only people who've thought to output films to DCP format (JPEG2000 is =
archival quality and open sourced or a physical non-encrypted format - =
non copy protected bluray is about as good as what can be had there as =
other than 35mm film, there is no high resolution, high color depth =
physical media.
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> A ProRes or Avid file is not a master - those codecs could well suffer =
the same fates in 10, 20, 30 years.
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> This is a huge stick our head in the sands problem that will never go =
away, only get worse.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=20
> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 8:23 PM
> To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
> Subject: Re: [AE] updating and compatibility
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> Apple can be especially uncool. Dolby is on my list too.
>=20
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> On 5/3/2018 8:02 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:
>> blame apple then as they are the gulity party in killing off QT32 and =
an codecs which are implemented via QT32. Adobe is simply keeping their =
app current wiith what the OS can, or in this case can=E2=80=99t =
deliver.
>>=20
>> S
>>=20