Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv — Message #64059
From: Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Premiere mogrt issue
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 23:05:17 +0300
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Byron, not really. you can import an Ae project to Premiere, select the composition that contains the text layer or layers, and it will DL between the apps giving you ability to change the text in Pr's ECP. do your editing of the layers in Premiere, even add a drop shadow or tint. they will retain the appearance and animation from Ae. 

Mogrt Global controls, while increased dramatically in the last April update, still needs a lot of work.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Byron Nash <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
But didn't they remove the Live Text Templates from AE? I'm experimenting with the Essential Motion Graphics templates now and so far having some good experiences. The global settings is a bit of an issue though. Should have some way to both maintain global control and allow local variations.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 2:45 PM Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
yes, LTT, or as they are called in previous-year-Adobe-Lingo: Dynamic Link, is actually quite fast and very usable as long as you keep the AE project file small and simple. This is also the way i do it if i know i dont have to deliver the Premiere project file to someone else.
Lots of things are so much simpler and faster to set up in AE vs the new Graphics module of Premiere.

If i need to be sure it works with other editors Premiere setup, and the texts doesn't need any animation that cant be done inside Premiere, i often just set up the text in Photoshop on several layers and import those layers into Premiere. This was the text layers are still "live" if any changes needs to be done but will act as regular pixel layers in Premiere since Photoshop saves a rasterized version of the text layer in the PSD.

Robert



2018-05-16 20:26 GMT+02:00 Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Thanks Jim. that's a nice old school full proof approach. I think I found a faster way to suits my needs, see if it suits yours:

I tested 2 other ways for doing titles for premiere:
1. Ae's Live Text Template - create an Ae composition with one text title and import that to Premiere
2. Ae's Mogrt - add the source text to the EGP, export Mogrt, import to Premiere using the EGP.

guess what? once again LLT wins. I can update my Ae comp and immediately see the change in Pr (don't even have to save!, but I'd better so if Ae closes). now in Premiere. I can duplicate my titles, change the text in Premiere's ECP. and anything else - do in Ae. including Animation BTW. 

if I do it the Ae Mogrt way. I would have to re-export the mogrt each time, and replace all the clips in premiere (now with the new Alt+drag, I can do it globally)

so, as long as all the text titles need to have the same general properties, and I don't have to be specific in editing each one's formatting and only want a global formatting or transformation change, the LLT is very fast and good. I can add a drop shadow in premiere for some of them or change the color if I need to.

a year since Adobe launched Mogrt, still needs to be more robust for accommodating global changes. 

LTT Rules :) 

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 4:42 AM, Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
This is a great workflow Jim. Thx for sharing. I will certainly be adopting it from now on. For a mature produce from a mature creative tool publisher like Adobe, the Premier text/title tool is shamefully and woefully bad. 

Sent from my iPad

On May 15, 2018, at 1:04 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I don’t believe there is, and this is a big part of why I do my static titles in Ae.  The new Text feature in Pr sucks as bad as the old Title Tool, IMO.

I make them one frame in length, render out a PNG+ alpha image sequence that I import into Pr as individual files.

What this enables me to do is go into the Ae Comp, Select All, and change fonts, sizes, color, leading, tracking, etc. all at once.

I create Text in Ae as Paragraph Text so that I can easily adjust the width of lines of text and the line breaks are automatic.

I start my first title with more or less how I want the title to look, and then Duplicate it for Title #2, and so on.

If I make changes, just re-render the frames I need using Work Area, and they update automatically in Pr.


I do a fair amount of foreign language versions that have static titles, and this is the fastest way I’ve found to knock them out.  If anybody has a better / faster way, please clue us in.

HTH, Roel.

Jim C.




On May 15, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Roei Tzoref <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Hey Friends. Hope you are well. I have just started a project using Premiere Titles and got a question: in premiere is there a way to copy paste text attributes from one motion graphics title to another? 
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​I want this so I could keep the text itself. 
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​I see I can create a master style but this only the typeface and color. I want to copy transform properties from one title to another. isn't there an easy way to do that?
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​paste attributes ignores the transform of a text layer in the EGP. I see no way of copy paste transform properties from one text layer clip to another.
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​nothing in the adobe help address this. 

Example: If I created a simple credit title, duplicated it a few times in the timeline (changing the text) and then I see I need to actually make it smaller and with drop shadow. No way to so this for all the layers at once? Or copy paste just these changed properties to all the text clips so the text remains but properties will change?
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