From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic309-20.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.129.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 6467844 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 19:51:42 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1529517564; bh=qBJJq4cWxUbXnoWQkQ1bh5V5eGSVlG74s9xuahN07YM=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=NcTDY8ZskndofeQGhBvBk6bbcOwJmPtN/YxMlhBdqiDRfhlqFb2nraZ758sbQy8BKQvF3Qo++wWrVPJk4a0pfvjYJYaVN1rvBJGGRozvZO+EKfl5I7LVUs3Fi3+VZ23lKqYDW13zSsUwoQyfBFBq0nCuknqMscvsuZ55BskLV8FF4W8hOY+12VaUSHCrWqk6SqJkpmKRuJV5/x+b+sqDrQ3dw8SUurRY3fgkmu8ImS40/8ZvnwRBvEa/+XZQfxvRTuDCcWeboXWaDY+zHf4grcUOKoFx+Umf7V5e5iK1E5N7fMLB/kh2+d5dgD4unHzsynhhnMzikjrgH1TDRTnaEA== X-YMail-OSG: OeKqpA0VM1nhF0fPjcsXIJ_1oFKGClRydmoBWiQVttnwgSI64oI.MZsAODa.l1k IEswOAZKhyBtAr.yJ4zPd7CPdrT5tbVLMF35XfvWacV519Cf2i1eOEda4LHv93yteLZeusOVGdgi NHLlelLT68e7WluUogo9utS7pKICp71LOVmQI2u1XKtsZsF0hdyX6nTWW6MQD3DgHsu99_s6_owh fC7mEbA6.u_2RW1i_Bcje3a1thU6v9cG_miz38gQNot59lWmMeiA9u9xsF04uD8PZwmX0mkmFHMy pTrv.kBFMk4io8BszTrXiu1KVTbaS1yU1s_3Clcb5V9Pfaa439.xe_YGR7O0Gm2tHjEfnUAUbZL0 ihA7QVWP7ItRPyxDqyxnoQ_dekhEz3IZPRJ4QTkJ4mRRnKMx06BRuIbrKydTzjTeQEtQ268tPAEw R8m4DDw7phgknzrzGcOXt_F27z8DQz0lX0QC_AltbshW0YyO9nucUX0qHIJYyyIzCiFdDliNTPy. S6C_khoBwi4BGZqLWruIMTAxMZAnbD1qkq3NChQHz0zeRJJhgB1FsSQM258fJtGFYENh8PL37ncG hRezxuZSqsmadkq23mqw6obhQoZCg6LagF6KkFHcNEwsYbapRUsIHaLK8F9igCJQ9f9xSzDurRk8 4a6A0Aw7papuakBr9_myVlpPsUDSPQcBT0bInVKnXVZbyxvoYdgpTqhTfNXRER5Q4RgjeJw.tcMZ XVEaKtY.AQBnfv2Zr906KR1tp5o5689v6dKHzz13K3lElKCO2.eC1ECyb1_0oY9J296eh0Ca8B.R flI9BStgRjXkbcQ4r6_ogQK.1Y0gHfVN3cogtVUkNMfymh4.f1xBTCGzKkXYPOpIVA.CUodaIAGp cf4HQ6_3YHDJClMVip74AX9a1mDPdo0Gi8YmInIpFoPmk0F5YuTfxsZEBsyxesHGi1cVi1W_bfLW EqMCXxAMIMmrQjYCAbhgNEd1M8BEjohtfaWtb Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic309.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:59:24 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO jims-mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp413.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID af3eea754def79519b6bb666f569d9af for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0653FB6A-206B-4842-A664-84F76AF256D3" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [AE] nVidias Slo mo demo Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:59:21 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) --Apple-Mail=_0653FB6A-206B-4842-A664-84F76AF256D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Optical Flow and Twixtor have limitations. Try a slo-mo of a person = walking next to a picket fence, and see how wacky the pickets become = with any method besides frame-blending. There have been occasions where = I=E2=80=99ve stitched together the different methods with masking and = editing, as there seems not to be a Silver Bullet so far. If this is = it, I=E2=80=99m interested! Thanks for the head=E2=80=99s up. > On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Chris Zwar = wrote: >=20 > Yesterday nVidia posted a demo of their slo-mo research, which uses AI = / machine learning to dramatically slow down footage and interpolate = between frames. >=20 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3D43&v=3DMjViy6kyiqs = >=20 > I have to say that I don=E2=80=99t really see any advantage over = existing optical flow technology (ie twixtor). I did make the brave = step of actually reading the YouTube comments, and a few people did = mention twixtor with one person saying the nVidia version is =E2=80=9Cvast= ly superior=E2=80=9D. But I don=E2=80=99t see it. Similar artefacts, = lots of blurring, I just don=E2=80=99t see an immediate advantage over = existing technology. Of course it=E2=80=99s difficult to judge without = access to the source footage itself. Twixtor and comparable plugins can = vary widely depending on the quality of the source footage, with things = like noise/grain and compression artefacts sometimes being a make or = break factor. So maybe this new technology is more tolerant? >=20 > What do you think? >=20 > -Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_0653FB6A-206B-4842-A664-84F76AF256D3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Optical Flow and Twixtor have limitations.  Try a slo-mo = of a person walking next to a picket fence, and see how wacky the = pickets become with any method besides frame-blending.  There have = been occasions where I=E2=80=99ve stitched together the different = methods with masking and editing, as there seems not to be a Silver = Bullet so far.  If this is it, I=E2=80=99m interested!  Thanks = for the head=E2=80=99s up.




On Jun 20, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Chris Zwar <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Yesterday nVidia = posted a demo of their slo-mo research, which uses AI / machine learning = to dramatically slow down footage and interpolate between frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3D43&v=3DMjViy6= kyiqs

I = have to say that I don=E2=80=99t really see any advantage over existing = optical flow technology (ie twixtor).  I did make the brave step of = actually reading the YouTube comments, and a few people did mention = twixtor with one person saying the nVidia version is =E2=80=9Cvastly = superior=E2=80=9D.  But I don=E2=80=99t see it.  Similar = artefacts, lots of blurring, I just don=E2=80=99t see an immediate = advantage over existing technology.  Of course it=E2=80=99s = difficult to judge without access to the source footage itself. =  Twixtor and comparable plugins can vary widely depending on the = quality of the source footage, with things like noise/grain and = compression artefacts sometimes being a make or break factor.  So = maybe this new technology is more tolerant?

What do you think?

-Chris




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