From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic316-15.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.69.39] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 6469096 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 04:51:57 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1529722784; bh=vfifaVeDCMA0Fnoc/JcfMl1B2EGyXoLl+eONUEEWLQU=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=HaSXVDOv1khmsfE+bRcqPzxaL+n6LUirNiO8DCWGupQfOV8De05x+DuHHdQc9d8nOn7E+iKErgNcmxklbY34m4y5kuQmeeInojoy96dEPPVGzqEUHONQ42Je9Wj4KzYCbPWXTGORlCBH/3FDkUJ/WFdwv0k2mUxS7QS2xy23qIioNvs+h5vMi7ZlZPNRy1mzEbeIssuOxXIXpIWOLbsIFdWxVpSXC2y7/wwBEjzKWIuRSMRbQKbSQLGoT3eHZU71Qk7DvEe700saMj+PAFioI2pcoog6Zia76f2YI/2Z5wJvuktdinPxAbldniiFwVs5i7LQOvZNSm3kgbppQjjqIA== X-YMail-OSG: n5LBIo0VM1kqbM68VnbHSemlJhpWM6i5q7LJhChvqiDgK.QZeeGU03Y50D7UYRW EoKFfDMH5dSmLCEHoumOMBVrKWhY3vBFEDyt72IreDvyzFXtQMEeS9NpLn1VflGr.wIUoL_GdB9c dlFVylYFPoB7wIugk915rR7HIuk6pl5INa_jOQUKE92u.ymAJLEqBAfwGOkA4tEMG4IiQ3..Zg4Y BR6GoI06Xxcz_o1eF.z2tFxQP03ChHD5Q9p9rwrRQ6Mm6Q3lK0N0rOBULDsNxJsfPwvFs64.4qJ1 vc106LTHwTPVLpxw5DMttNkFd413TFbjVEzblUIDeBIv3ZQQRNXhixWYGoUczvX1TaebMYPqlr.. mknFuY2rsmJtbXhnnkwtDfX52R8b5fWFt8sLQ6p7ikKa.vpzZrIRSv3qgYBhrHLtrwRLqQAGeZWS Jz3Rgkv3BhOojglOxFhaMziHLg1vst.eJdluc2iYBqMXhuTsiRaZNYJV91eCEm_dNM0tx7QGzr1R .ALyr1.F_WmKbzbCxZ4Gs5VShkCEtpIPoRIiIYlEJzJyNrUvZl5ENTbREFrbMoHJmGlGbJIt39hR AHcVQyyaKYgVlVuEub6UEomAVq1CRrUvzBKVHcTefrFOqXaEUmesaBaeWUyENrtdGsRHjcnkSrz5 3aSZPMe8ObmdhSd4QfLyw_xobH04gTlKHpyD9akj7tu9Ora6ADQUGsQoxK832Z4evUFcy6G.ec7V HkTqH7MJGsRj1uGXRCj8jKQWk.Tw2.n9uOVEUbHewTeE4ZmJh3OyBzR1mmOuQpnwNULfsf3a5NHT GuxeRxAGK1ZiHsRMpj2uyczbHXjwqD_MabNi8.Nj0l2spxJX14aoejtf1trSts5Xx6a9DZkJJMuU 5Zi2z_FbiypUHfqeB_FcLgHMQG6eHznfAYE0k5pekMV1xdPFQO0y.ToI1FEvjiKy4mXrNcGqGOc8 8xOl8q7ZVzNBuF.377wOsn9Aye2E0JhA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 02:59:44 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO jims-mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp405.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID bb7c35de6bb154ce566a65b50b03ff06 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2018 02:59:42 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_4ED3C0FF-3D90-4B14-8921-41CAEDA94CB1" Message-Id: <7874A308-427A-46B8-88CB-C8855E269898@flash.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [AE] High Sierra MacPro Firmware update Q Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2018 21:59:40 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) --Apple-Mail=_4ED3C0FF-3D90-4B14-8921-41CAEDA94CB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks, Steve. I installed 10.13 on the second partition of my backup disk for my MBP = Retina, and immediately I got errors in Ae - one about Test Gear, and = another about Beauty Box. I have a bunch of plugs and didn=E2=80=99t = try them all. I don=E2=80=99t use Test Gear, but I do use Beauty Box, = so I=E2=80=99m hesitating to commit to 10.13 on my MacPro if it=E2=80=99s = going to break anything that doesn=E2=80=99t have a fix from the = developers. I have an ATTO card running a SAS RAID5, an ATTO HBA for my SAS LTO = drive. BRU PE, the weakest link, has given me a host of nightmares = dealing with Apple=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Csecurity=E2=80=9D features, which = get more draconian and Hieronymus Bosch-ian with every update. =20 I can=E2=80=99t leave El Cap until I=E2=80=99m damn sure BRU PE (and the = other apps and plugs I depend on) will work, and the only way to know = for sure is on a test partition. I also have a flashed for Mac Nvidia = Titan, and I need to make sure the drivers are OK there before I can = leave El Cap as well. I searched for info on what the firmware update does, but no luck = finding anything about my particular situation. > On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Steve Oakley = wrote: >=20 > No. >=20 > there were a few odd firmware updates, but if its for the mobo just = google up info on the updates. none had to do with OS locking. >=20 > OTH, everyone else is right in that there is no need to run a dual = boot machine and make your life more complicated than it needs to be. = there are advantages like newer gpu drivers and there are some app bugs = fixed by OS updates.=20 >=20 > the only thing 10.13 will want to possibly do is update your drive to = APFS which you can ignore for now and do later you want. volumes can be = converted from HFS to APFS in a few minutes. APFS works fine on SSD=E2=80=99= s, RAID 0/1. Fusion drive support coming - **don=E2=80=99t** create a = fusion drive via the command line vers of diskutil. while it will work, = the volume may have space allocation issues down the road. wait until = apple officially releases it. >=20 > otherwise 10.13.5 is pretty solid >=20 > S >=20 >> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:20 PM, Jim Curtis > wrote: >>=20 >> I have a MacPro5,1 - the last cheese grater model, and I=E2=80=99d = like to install High Sierra on a partition that also has El Capitan on = it so that I can convert FCPX projects to XML so I can finish projects = started in FCPX in Pr and Ae, and work on them on El Capitan, which is = working great. >>=20 >> When I started to install High Sierra on my Sierra partition, the = installer told me I need to update the firmware. I bailed. >>=20 >> My question is:=20 >>=20 >> If I update the firmware, will it bork my MacPro5,1 so that it will = no longer boot from El Capitan? >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99ve searched for an answer, and most people seem to throw = fate to the wind and commit to High Sierra forever. I=E2=80=99m not = that guy. >>=20 >> Can anybody help, or direct me to some info? =20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Jim C.=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_4ED3C0FF-3D90-4B14-8921-41CAEDA94CB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Thanks, Steve.

I installed 10.13 on the second partition of my backup disk = for my MBP Retina, and immediately I got errors in Ae - one about Test = Gear, and another about Beauty Box.  I have a bunch of plugs and = didn=E2=80=99t try them all.  I don=E2=80=99t use Test Gear, but I = do use Beauty Box, so I=E2=80=99m hesitating to commit to 10.13 on my = MacPro if it=E2=80=99s going to break anything that doesn=E2=80=99t have = a fix from the developers.

I have an ATTO card running a SAS RAID5, an ATTO HBA for my = SAS LTO drive.  BRU PE, the weakest link, has given me a host of = nightmares dealing with Apple=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Csecurity=E2=80=9D = features, which get more draconian and Hieronymus = Bosch-ian with every update.  

I can=E2=80=99t leave El Cap until = I=E2=80=99m damn sure BRU PE (and the other apps and plugs I depend on) = will work, and the only way to know for sure is on a test partition. =  I also have a flashed for Mac Nvidia Titan, and I need to make = sure the drivers are OK there before I can leave El Cap as = well.

I = searched for info on what the firmware update does, but no luck finding = anything about my particular situation.



On = Jun 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

No.

there were a few odd firmware updates, = but if its for the mobo just google up info on the updates. none had to = do with OS locking.

OTH, everyone else is right in that there is no need to run a = dual boot machine and make your life more complicated than it needs to = be. there are advantages like newer gpu drivers and there are some app = bugs fixed by OS updates. 

the only thing 10.13 will want to = possibly do is update your drive to APFS which you can ignore for now = and do later you want. volumes can be converted from HFS to APFS in a = few minutes. APFS works fine on SSD=E2=80=99s, RAID 0/1. Fusion drive = support coming - **don=E2=80=99t** create a fusion drive via the command = line vers of diskutil. while it will work, the volume may have space = allocation issues down the road. wait until apple officially releases = it.

otherwise = 10.13.5 is pretty solid

S

On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:20 PM, = Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I have a MacPro5,1 - the last cheese grater model, and I=E2=80=99= d like to install High Sierra on a partition that also has El Capitan on = it so that I can convert FCPX projects to XML so I can finish projects = started in FCPX in Pr and Ae, and work on them on El Capitan, which is = working great.

When = I started to install High Sierra on my Sierra partition, the installer = told me I need to update the firmware.  I bailed.

My question = is: 

If I = update the firmware, will it bork my MacPro5,1 so that it will no longer = boot from El Capitan?

I=E2=80=99ve searched for an answer, and most people seem to = throw fate to the wind and commit to High Sierra forever.  I=E2=80=99= m not that guy.

Can anybody help, or direct me to some info?  

Thanks,
Jim C. 


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