From: "Steve Oakley" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Subject: Re: [AE] High Sierra MacPro Firmware update Q
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 00:41:51 -0500
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Your welcome !

> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:59 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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> Thanks, Steve.
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> I installed 10.13 on the second partition of my backup disk for my MBP =
Retina, and immediately I got errors in Ae - one about Test Gear, and =
another about Beauty Box.  I have a bunch of plugs and didn=E2=80=99t =
try them all.  I don=E2=80=99t use Test Gear, but I do use Beauty Box, =
so I=E2=80=99m hesitating to commit to 10.13 on my MacPro if it=E2=80=99s =
going to break anything that doesn=E2=80=99t have a fix from the =
developers.

10.13 has been out for quiite a while now so if it broke an app, there =
is an update. of course a newer vers of AE will also possibly require =
plugins to be updated. so there is that bit if time to update =
everything.=20

> I have an ATTO card running a SAS RAID5, an ATTO HBA for my SAS LTO =
drive.  BRU PE, the weakest link, has given me a host of nightmares =
dealing with Apple=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Csecurity=E2=80=9D features, which =
get more draconian and Hieronymus Bosch-ian with every update. =20

you can disable SIP - the app secruity thing by :

	=E2=80=A2 Restart your Mac.
	=E2=80=A2 Before OS X starts up, hold down Command-R and keep it =
held down until you see an Apple icon and a progress bar. Release. This =
boots you into Recovery.
	=E2=80=A2 =46rom the Utilities menu, select Terminal.
	=E2=80=A2 At the prompt type exactly the following and then =
press Return: csrutil disable
	=E2=80=A2 Terminal should display a message that SIP was =
disabled.
	=E2=80=A2 =46rom the =EF=A3=BF menu, select Restart.

You can re-enable SIP by following the above steps, but using csrutil =
enable instead.

I=E2=80=99ve run into a few things related to this including a machine =
having fits about installing the latest BMD video card drivers which =
required diisabling SIP.  I think 10.13.5 re-enables it on reboot =
automatically, but not 100% on this. YMMV.

I get being stuck with some legacy hardware / software. we=E2=80=99ve =
all lived thru that mess. the problem is of course newer vers of apps =
want newer OS=E2=80=99s so a dual boot situation is the only thiing you =
can do.

I=E2=80=99m running a Titan X with flashed firmware and its fine. the =
drivers are highly OS ver specific, but the nVidiia control panel will =
update to the correct vers. ditto CUDA driver which is less OS picky.

no clue on 10.13 + ATTO support. a couple years about 10.11 or so killed =
off drivers for my USB3 card and the only solution was a new card with =
OS built in support. I did try a couple drivers I found out there but =
none worked, which is a shame because the RaidRocket card I had was a =
screamer compared to what I got - 4 full bandwidth USB3 channels vs 1 =
split across 4 connectors.

S

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> I can=E2=80=99t leave El Cap until I=E2=80=99m damn sure BRU PE (and =
the other apps and plugs I depend on) will work, and the only way to =
know for sure is on a test partition.  I also have a flashed for Mac =
Nvidia Titan, and I need to make sure the drivers are OK there before I =
can leave El Cap as well.
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> I searched for info on what the firmware update does, but no luck =
finding anything about my particular situation.
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>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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>> No.
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>> there were a few odd firmware updates, but if its for the mobo just =
google up info on the updates. none had to do with OS locking.
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>> OTH, everyone else is right in that there is no need to run a dual =
boot machine and make your life more complicated than it needs to be. =
there are advantages like newer gpu drivers and there are some app bugs =
fixed by OS updates.=20
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>> the only thing 10.13 will want to possibly do is update your drive to =
APFS which you can ignore for now and do later you want. volumes can be =
converted from HFS to APFS in a few minutes. APFS works fine on SSD=E2=80=99=
s, RAID 0/1. Fusion drive support coming - **don=E2=80=99t** create a =
fusion drive via the command line vers of diskutil. while it will work, =
the volume may have space allocation issues down the road. wait until =
apple officially releases it.
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>> otherwise 10.13.5 is pretty solid
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>> S
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>>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:20 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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>>> I have a MacPro5,1 - the last cheese grater model, and I=E2=80=99d =
like to install High Sierra on a partition that also has El Capitan on =
it so that I can convert FCPX projects to XML so I can finish projects =
started in FCPX in Pr and Ae, and work on them on El Capitan, which is =
working great.
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>>> When I started to install High Sierra on my Sierra partition, the =
installer told me I need to update the firmware.  I bailed.
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>>> My question is:=20
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>>> If I update the firmware, will it bork my MacPro5,1 so that it will =
no longer boot from El Capitan?
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>>> I=E2=80=99ve searched for an answer, and most people seem to throw =
fate to the wind and commit to High Sierra forever.  I=E2=80=99m not =
that guy.
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>>> Can anybody help, or direct me to some info? =20
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>>> Thanks,
>>> Jim C.=20
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