From: "Jim Curtis" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Subject: Re: [AE] High Sierra MacPro Firmware update Q
Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2018 20:29:15 -0600
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Steve, thanks again for the extra info.  I decided to go ahead and =
commit to High Sierra based on your advice and some preliminary testing. =
 I never feel comfortable committing to any Apple OS that isn=E2=80=99t =
at least x.x.5.  So, your mention that 10.13 has been out for a while =
was a compelling argument.

I=E2=80=99ve spent the better part of today wrestling with it.  I=E2=80=99=
ve learned a dual boot is out of the question when 10.13 resides on a =
partitioned disk with 10.11.  I dowloaded Paragon=E2=80=99s AFHS =
utility, but 10.11 still doesn=E2=80=99t see the 10.13 drive in the =
Startup Disk preference.  So, when I went back to 10.11 to do some last =
minute file maintenance, I had a whale of time booting back into 10.13 =
before I could use the Migration Assistant.

Anyway, most everything works in Ae, except for Digieffects Damage, =
which I can upgrade to a compatible set for $50 (which I probably =
won=E2=80=99t; I=E2=80=99ve hardly used it.).  I had to reauthorize most =
of my plug-ins, which is only a problem with the few like Boris BCC that =
are linked to a disk and not an IP.  None of my audio plugs had to be =
re-authorized, which is unusual for an OS upgrade.  I even can get BRU =
PE to launch as an administrator, which was my biggest fear.

Thanks again for the valuable tips, info, and advice.=20

BTW, I also have a USB 3.0 PCIe card.  I think it=E2=80=99s a Sonnet; =
doesn=E2=80=99t need a driver, and works great.

Jim


> On Jun 22, 2018, at 11:41 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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> Your welcome !
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>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:59 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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>> Thanks, Steve.
>> was a=20
>> I installed 10.13 on the second partition of my backup disk for my =
MBP Retina, and immediately I got errors in Ae - one about Test Gear, =
and another about Beauty Box.  I have a bunch of plugs and didn=E2=80=99t =
try them all.  I don=E2=80=99t use Test Gear, but I do use Beauty Box, =
so I=E2=80=99m hesitating to commit to 10.13 on my MacPro if it=E2=80=99s =
going to break anything that doesn=E2=80=99t have a fix from the =
developers.
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> 10.13 has been out for quiite a while now so if it broke an app, there =
is an update. of course a newer vers of AE will also possibly require =
plugins to be updated. so there is that bit if time to update =
everything.=20
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>> I have an ATTO card running a SAS RAID5, an ATTO HBA for my SAS LTO =
drive.  BRU PE, the weakest link, has given me a host of nightmares =
dealing with Apple=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Csecurity=E2=80=9D features, which =
get more draconian and Hieronymus Bosch-ian with every update. =20
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> you can disable SIP - the app secruity thing by :
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> 	=E2=80=A2 Restart your Mac.
> 	=E2=80=A2 Before OS X starts up, hold down Command-R and keep it =
held down until you see an Apple icon and a progress bar. Release. This =
boots you into Recovery.
> 	=E2=80=A2 =46rom the Utilities menu, select Terminal.
> 	=E2=80=A2 At the prompt type exactly the following and then =
press Return: csrutil disable
> 	=E2=80=A2 Terminal should display a message that SIP was =
disabled.
> 	=E2=80=A2 =46rom the =EF=A3=BF menu, select Restart.
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> You can re-enable SIP by following the above steps, but using csrutil =
enable instead.
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> I=E2=80=99ve run into a few things related to this including a machine =
having fits about installing the latest BMD video card drivers which =
required diisabling SIP.  I think 10.13.5 re-enables it on reboot =
automatically, but not 100% on this. YMMV.
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> I get being stuck with some legacy hardware / software. we=E2=80=99ve =
all lived thru that mess. the problem is of course newer vers of apps =
want newer OS=E2=80=99s so a dual boot situation is the only thiing you =
can do.
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> I=E2=80=99m running a Titan X with flashed firmware and its fine. the =
drivers are highly OS ver specific, but the nVidiia control panel will =
update to the correct vers. ditto CUDA driver which is less OS picky.
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> no clue on 10.13 + ATTO support. a couple years about 10.11 or so =
killed off drivers for my USB3 card and the only solution was a new card =
with OS built in support. I did try a couple drivers I found out there =
but none worked, which is a shame because the RaidRocket card I had was =
a screamer compared to what I got - 4 full bandwidth USB3 channels vs 1 =
split across 4 connectors.
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> S
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>> I can=E2=80=99t leave El Cap until I=E2=80=99m damn sure BRU PE (and =
the other apps and plugs I depend on) will work, and the only way to =
know for sure is on a test partition.  I also have a flashed for Mac =
Nvidia Titan, and I need to make sure the drivers are OK there before I =
can leave El Cap as well.
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>> I searched for info on what the firmware update does, but no luck =
finding anything about my particular situation.
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>>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:34 PM, Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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>>> No.
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>>> there were a few odd firmware updates, but if its for the mobo just =
google up info on the updates. none had to do with OS locking.
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>>> OTH, everyone else is right in that there is no need to run a dual =
boot machine and make your life more complicated than it needs to be. =
there are advantages like newer gpu drivers and there are some app bugs =
fixed by OS updates.=20
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>>> the only thing 10.13 will want to possibly do is update your drive =
to APFS which you can ignore for now and do later you want. volumes can =
be converted from HFS to APFS in a few minutes. APFS works fine on =
SSD=E2=80=99s, RAID 0/1. Fusion drive support coming - **don=E2=80=99t** =
create a fusion drive via the command line vers of diskutil. while it =
will work, the volume may have space allocation issues down the road. =
wait until apple officially releases it.
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>>> otherwise 10.13.5 is pretty solid
>>>=20
>>> S
>>>=20
>>>> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:20 PM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
wrote:
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>>>> I have a MacPro5,1 - the last cheese grater model, and I=E2=80=99d =
like to install High Sierra on a partition that also has El Capitan on =
it so that I can convert FCPX projects to XML so I can finish projects =
started in FCPX in Pr and Ae, and work on them on El Capitan, which is =
working great.
>>>>=20
>>>> When I started to install High Sierra on my Sierra partition, the =
installer told me I need to update the firmware.  I bailed.
>>>>=20
>>>> My question is:=20
>>>>=20
>>>> If I update the firmware, will it bork my MacPro5,1 so that it will =
no longer boot from El Capitan?
>>>>=20
>>>> I=E2=80=99ve searched for an answer, and most people seem to throw =
fate to the wind and commit to High Sierra forever.  I=E2=80=99m not =
that guy.
>>>>=20
>>>> Can anybody help, or direct me to some info? =20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jim C.=20
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