From: "Jim Tierney" Received: from s483.sureserver.com ([192.252.146.33] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7117153 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 20:11:25 +0200 Received: (qmail 14368 invoked by uid 1003); 16 Jul 2018 18:20:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPFO5EGTS) (jim@72.130.33.160) by s483.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 16 Jul 2018 18:20:00 -0000 To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:20:00 -0700 Message-ID: <114d01d41d31$9c5fbcf0$d51f36d0$@digitalanarchy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_114E_01D41CF6.F0068A40" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIhfb0F1rOSLCkkyhRSNxUoY8qgWKP3XDTQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_114E_01D41CF6.F0068A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> They are responsible for insuring support for the codecs that they = offer in their apps. =20 So=E2=80=A6 they need to re-write/implement every codec that was = available for Quicktime? You=E2=80=99re basically asking them to = re-write Quicktime and I don=E2=80=99t think you understand how much = work that would be. Adobe tends to focus on stuff that benefits the most = users, leaving niche stuff, like HAP, to third parties. They = can=E2=80=99t do everything, everyone wants. And it sounds like the = AfterCodecs product has filled that gap. Although, you could just render = it out and then use an older version of CC to transcode it. =20 Jim ------------------- Jim Tierney President Digital Anarchy =20 =20 =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 9:52 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support =20 I don=E2=80=99t understand how you can blame Apple on this. Quicktime 7 = was deprecated years ago and Adobe has known for a long time that codec = support using QuickTime was going away. They are responsible for = insuring support for the codecs that they offer in their apps. =20 - Dennis =20 =20 On Jul 16, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: =20 One of the threads is here: =20 = https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2413891? =20 From: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv>=20 Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:22 AM To: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support =20 about missing versions: after testing this a while ago, found out that = only CC 2015.3 is missing in Ae: = https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2484565 =20 I recently re-installed my machine and was able to install all version = but CC2015.3=20 =20 On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Stephen van Vuuren < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: That=E2=80=99s only on machines that had CC prior versions installed. On = a new machine, new install, some versions are missing. Lots of noise = about it in Adobe forums. =20 From: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv>=20 Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:40 PM To: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support =20 I just checked (on my home mac) and I still have the option to show = older versions, and install older versions back to CS6. I=E2=80=99m = running the latest version of the CC app. =20 In the CC app, where the apps are listed with either a white tablet that = says =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D or a blue tablet that says = =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cinstall", I click on the arrow on = the right side and I get an =E2=80=9Cother versions=E2=80=9D option. If = I click on this, it lists all versions back to CS6 with the option to = install. =20 Are you not seeing the same thing? =20 On 16 Jul 2018, at 9:16 am, Stephen van Vuuren < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: =20 > You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME through the = Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a bit. =20 =20 This is not true on new installs which I discovered to my horror = =E2=80=93 those older versions with Dolby and other licensing issues = have been removed. =20 From: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv>=20 Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:00 PM To: After Effects Mail List < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of Quicktime + HAP codec support =20 While we bought AfterCodecs for this very situation, we also kept all of = the older version of After Effects / Premiere / MediaEncoder on all our = machines. You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME through = the Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a bit. We = work in CC 2018 but render to image sequences, then we import and output = these using CC 2017. You can always back-save your projects for CC 2017 = too, if you=E2=80=99re not using any features from the latest release. I think my home machine has 5 or 6 versions of After Effects on it, = going back to CS 6. =20 =20 =20 -Chris On 16 Jul 2018, at 2:47 am, Michael Powers < = AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: =20 I am working round the clock to get out a giant projection mapping = project in Grand Central Terminal. I go to encode my files for D3 = playback in AfterFX or even AME with the HAP codec and I remember it is = not there!@!#$%$ =20 This is a giant pain in ass. I have submitted my displeasure to the = Adobe forum and feature/bugs email the last time this bit me. =20 Dear Adobe product leaders how about a response =E2=80=93 or better yet = supporting customer workflows! =20 =20 Mike Powers Director of Animation \ Cramer =20 781.278.2354 mpowers@cramer.com https://vimeo.com/mpowers 3DBOXX W8920Processor 32.0 GB RAM=20 Dual Xeon CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz, 2601 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical = Processor(s) Windows 10 Enterprise - 1709 (OS Build 16299.64) NVIDIA GTX TITAN Black RAM 6.0 GB Driver Version 2.1.2 NVIDIA = 388.31 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_114E_01D41CF6.F0068A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>> They are responsible for insuring support for the = codecs that they offer in their apps.

 

So=E2=80=A6 they need to re-write/implement every codec that was = available for Quicktime? You=E2=80=99re basically asking them to = re-write Quicktime and I don=E2=80=99t think you understand how much = work that would be. Adobe tends to focus on stuff that benefits the most = users, leaving niche stuff, like HAP, to third parties. They = can=E2=80=99t do everything, everyone wants. And it sounds like the = AfterCodecs product has filled that gap. Although, you could just render = it out and then use an older version of CC to transcode = it.

 

Jim

-------------------

Jim Tierney

President

Digital Anarchy

 

 

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] =
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: After = Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP = codec support

 

I = don=E2=80=99t understand how you can blame Apple on this. Quicktime 7 = was deprecated years ago and Adobe has known for a long time that codec = support using QuickTime was going away. They are responsible for = insuring support for the codecs that they offer in their = apps.

 

- = Dennis

 

 



On = Jul 16, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 

One of the = threads is here:

 =

 =

From: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:22 = AM
To: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subje= ct: Re: [AE] Lack of = QuickTime + HAP codec support

 =

about = missing versions: after testing this a while ago, found out that only CC = 2015.3 is missing in Ae:

 =

I recently = re-installed my machine and was able to install all version but = CC2015.3 

 =

On Mon, = Jul 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

That=E2=80=99= s only on machines that had CC prior versions installed. On a new = machine, new install, some versions are missing. Lots of noise about it = in Adobe forums.

 =

From: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:40 = PM
To: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subje= ct: Re: [AE] Lack of = QuickTime + HAP codec = support

 =

I just = checked (on my home mac) and I still have the option to show older = versions, and install older versions back to CS6.  I=E2=80=99m = running the latest version of the CC = app.

 =

In the CC = app, where the apps are listed with either a white tablet that says = =E2=80=9Copen=E2=80=9D or a blue tablet that says = =E2=80=9Cupdate=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cinstall", I click on the arrow = on the right side and I get an =E2=80=9Cother versions=E2=80=9D = option.  If I click on this, it lists all versions back to CS6 with = the option to install.

 =

Are you = not seeing the same thing?

 =

On 16 Jul = 2018, at 9:16 am, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 =

> =  You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME through the = Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a bit. =  

 =

This is = not true on new installs which I discovered to my horror =E2=80=93 those = older versions with Dolby and other licensing issues have been = removed.

 =

From: After = Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>&nb= sp;
Sent:&nb= sp;Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:00 PM
To:&nb= sp;After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subje= ct:&nb= sp;Re: [AE] Lack of Quicktime + HAP codec = support

 =

While we = bought AfterCodecs for this very situation, we also kept all of the = older version of After Effects / Premiere / MediaEncoder on all our = machines.  You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME = through the Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a = bit.  We work in CC 2018 but render to image sequences, then we = import and output these using CC 2017.  You can always back-save = your projects for CC 2017 too, if you=E2=80=99re not using any features = from the latest = release.

I think my = home machine has 5 or 6 versions of After Effects on it, going back to = CS 6.  

 =

 =

-Chris=



On 16 Jul = 2018, at 2:47 am, Michael Powers <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 =

I am = working round the clock to get out a giant projection mapping project in = Grand Central Terminal. I go to encode my files for D3 playback in = AfterFX or even AME with the HAP codec and I remember it is not = there!@!#$%$

 =

This is a = giant pain in ass. I have submitted my displeasure to the Adobe forum = and feature/bugs email the last time this bit = me.

 =

Dear Adobe = product leaders how about a response =E2=80=93 or better yet supporting = customer = workflows!

 =

 =

Mike = Powers
Director of Animation \&nb= sp;Cramer
 
781.278.2354
mpowers@cramer.com=

https://vimeo.com/mpowers=

3DBOXX = W8920Processor          = ;32.0 GB RAM =

Dual Xeon = CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz, 2601 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical = Processor(s)=

Windows 10 = Enterprise - 1709 (OS Build 16299.64)=

NVIDIA GTX = TITAN Black RAM  6.0 GB     Driver = Version   2.1.2 NVIDIA 388.31=

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