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Adobe just made 1.5 billion in the last quarter on Creative Cloud products, so no - I’m not going to feel bad for Adobe or think they are a helpless victim.

I didn’t say anything about replacing QuickTime or supporting every codec, it's their decision as a company to do what they want with their product.

What I’m saying is that it was their decision to just drop all of the codecs at once without alerting their users; they could have posted an alert with a questionnaire years ago asking what codecs were needed by their users and make their decisions accordingly. This is just another case of Adobe not supporting it’s customers very well.

I’m all for third party software - After Effects would be irrelevant at this point without it. But should we really have to rely on third parties for multi-process rendering, sub-sample erode-dilate, etc. etc. Adobe makes a ton of money off of it's users, and then we have apologists saying “poor Adobe” while they take our money.

Lastly, this isn’t meant to imply that the After Effects development team sucks, it’s that they likely don’t have the resources necessary to do what is needed (another decision made by the management at Adobe, not Apple).

- Dennis

On Jul 16, 2018, at 11:20 AM, Jim Tierney <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

>> They are responsible for insuring support for the codecs that they offer in their apps.

So… they need to re-write/implement every codec that was available for Quicktime? You’re basically asking them to re-write Quicktime and I don’t think you understand how much work that would be. Adobe tends to focus on stuff that benefits the most users, leaving niche stuff, like HAP, to third parties. They can’t do everything, everyone wants. And it sounds like the AfterCodecs product has filled that gap. Although, you could just render it out and then use an older version of CC to transcode it.

Jim
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Jim Tierney
President
Digital Anarchy

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 9:52 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support

I don’t understand how you can blame Apple on this. Quicktime 7 was deprecated years ago and Adobe has known for a long time that codec support using QuickTime was going away. They are responsible for insuring support for the codecs that they offer in their apps.

- Dennis

On Jul 16, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

One of the threads is here:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2413891?

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2018 10:22 AM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support

about missing versions: after testing this a while ago, found out that only CC 2015.3 is missing in Ae:
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2484565

I recently re-installed my machine and was able to install all version but CC2015.3

On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
That’s only on machines that had CC prior versions installed. On a new machine, new install, some versions are missing. Lots of noise about it in Adobe forums.

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:40 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of QuickTime + HAP codec support

I just checked (on my home mac) and I still have the option to show older versions, and install older versions back to CS6. I’m running the latest version of the CC app.

In the CC app, where the apps are listed with either a white tablet that says “open” or a blue tablet that says “update” or “install", I click on the arrow on the right side and I get an “other versions” option. If I click on this, it lists all versions back to CS6 with the option to install.

Are you not seeing the same thing?

On 16 Jul 2018, at 9:16 am, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

> You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME through the Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a bit.

This is not true on new installs which I discovered to my horror – those older versions with Dolby and other licensing issues have been removed.

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 7:00 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Lack of Quicktime + HAP codec support

While we bought AfterCodecs for this very situation, we also kept all of the older version of After Effects / Premiere / MediaEncoder on all our machines. You can still install older versions of AE / PR / ME through the Adobe Creative Cloud app and that will keep you going for a bit. We work in CC 2018 but render to image sequences, then we import and output these using CC 2017. You can always back-save your projects for CC 2017 too, if you’re not using any features from the latest release.
I think my home machine has 5 or 6 versions of After Effects on it, going back to CS 6.

-Chris

On 16 Jul 2018, at 2:47 am, Michael Powers <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I am working round the clock to get out a giant projection mapping project in Grand Central Terminal. I go to encode my files for D3 playback in AfterFX or even AME with the HAP codec and I remember it is not there!@!#$%$

This is a giant pain in ass. I have submitted my displeasure to the Adobe forum and feature/bugs email the last time this bit me.

Dear Adobe product leaders how about a response – or better yet supporting customer workflows!

Mike Powers
Director of Animation \ Cramer

781.278.2354
mpowers@cramer.com
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