From: "Adam Mercado" Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.208] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7126275 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 01 Aug 2018 19:32:16 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACE934806D for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:41:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; s=influxx.com; bh=N+OOoiUWEcyWlQd0BVnHz5stVRk=; b=DJgdPF5+pzBl023bYXUI+SSz0vaO 7GKWQQm6286Ut0fhUiy1CUi1XGCSj5n3g71lq4ezunzHXMvF37xUNcExXwv/KHh4 nBMwNBCr+pQkMaz8W5c2cUtGccHIODg22XwyYzhTZxXc4n2VCs4j6hwZTgQ/edcd 8G3/bH301KRC6Io= Received: from [192.168.1.86] (107-194-133-191.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [107.194.133.191]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: gaige@gaigesebastien.com) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EBDBC34806A for ; Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3814CF43-EE5F-44F0-88E2-01BF10459D54 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:39:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Photoshop Panoramic 360 imaging Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15G77) --Apple-Mail-3814CF43-EE5F-44F0-88E2-01BF10459D54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steven, Nick, Brian Thanks all for swift responses.=20 I had downloaded demos of PTGui and AutoPanoPro but tried Photoshop first as= I already have it, it=E2=80=99s free and I know it. I am playing with APP n= ow, but PTG is about the same price so that=E2=80=99s not a factor. It=E2=80= =99s not as straightforward as PS but there=E2=80=99s video lessons at least= .=20 As far as the nodal ninja is concerned I=E2=80=99ve heard Alex Lindsay discu= ss these in the past. In this case I think it=E2=80=99s overkill. I=E2=80=99= m not about to invest in something I=E2=80=99ll likely only use once. If thi= s client calls back and I do these regularly then it will become something I= =E2=80=99ll need.=20 FWIW the PS stitching within the edges is brilliant. No complaints at all. I= t=E2=80=99s unfortunate that it falls short in other areas (the full 360). A= nd that=E2=80=99s what really chaps my hide about Adobe these days/years. We= are forced to pay every month for gimmicks and half baked features month af= ter month, but real tools or real performance updates are few and far betwee= n. They add so called features like Photomerge, but we end up having to go b= uy other software anyway. I wish they would do away with creative cloud and l= et us choose if we want to upgrade or not. Give them a proper incentive to p= roduce tools we need and can use. Tangential rant over, thanks for the ideas. Adam Sent from my iPad > On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Stephen van Vuuren w= rote: >=20 > We did a tremendous amount of panoramic stitching for my giant screen film= and stopped using Photoshop early in the game. Although the UI is not exact= ly modern, PT Gui puts all other apps to shame that we tested a few years ag= o. Plus has blazing GPU acceleration and good user community and the viewer w= orks very well. > =20 > Best, > =20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > =20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > =20 > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like ficti= on. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99= s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:32 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Photoshop Panoramic 360 imaging > =20 > I use a Nodal Ninja like the one linked along with a program called PT Gui= for my pano work, but I shoot them CG/HDR usage. To get rid of your seam, t= ry the offset filter in Photoshop. Offset it to reveal the seam in your ima= ge, clone it out, then offset it back by the original amount and you should b= e good to go. > =20 > It has a heavy CG bent, but I learned how to do all this stuff from this b= ook, which is great: > http://www.hdrlabs.com/book/ > =20 > -b > =20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:07 AM Nick Fox-Gieg wr= ote: > Try Mettle tools that were recently integrated into AE--that should give y= ou a way to get your logo into an equirect without distortion, and also a re= liable way to view the result.=20 > =20 > As for creating better panoramas, that's a huge question, and as much abou= t hardware as software. I'd say (except via photogrammetry) you can't do goo= d 360 video or stereo panoramas with a DSLR or ball-of-GoPros, no matter how= many of them you have. You need a purpose-built 360 camera--here's a bit mo= re detail on why: > https://developers.google.com/vr/jump/rendering-ods-content.pdf > =20 > However for a mono still panorama, which sounds like your situation, there= 's a much simpler solution--one regular DSLR with a NPP ("No Parallax Point"= ) tripod mount like this:=20 > https://shop.nodalninja.com/nn3-mk3-series/ >=20 > Nick > =20 > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Adam Mercado wr= ote: > Hi gang, this is not an after effects problem, but the great minds in this= group probably have some experience here that I can tap into. >=20 > Got a request from a new client to produce a 360 image built from photos I= shoot with their logo added in. I did a bit of google research and spent y= esterday afternoon shooting some test shots in my back garden. I brought the= se shots into Photoshop and used Photomerge to combine them into (a) a cylin= drical map and (b) a spherical map. I added a logo to the long flat combined= image, but when viewed in the 3D viewer there were some problems.=20 >=20 > 1. The image is squished horizontally so everything is tall and narrow. Ob= viously a no go where client logos are concerned. The settings in the dialog= box to view the pano seem to have no relevance here as changing them made n= o difference to the results.=20 >=20 > 2. The ends of the pano do not blend like the middle shots do, creating a d= istinct seam at one point of the 360 pano. I shot ten images, left to right,= overlapping 30-40% each side. Files are named 1-10 and added to the Photome= rge panel in that order. Photomerge then sets image 5 as the first layer and= blends all the others in sequence, even wrapping around from 10 back to 1 i= n my shots. It does not wrap the =E2=80=98ends=E2=80=99 of the image creatin= g a seamless 360, which turns out to be images 5 and 6.=20 >=20 > 3. In the Adobe help page for Photomerge it suggests having a top/bottom o= r ceiling/floor images to create 360 x 180 pano, but never gives the steps t= o do this. Also, the menu item in the help page does not correspond to the v= ersion of Photoshop I have (19.4.1 if I recall). It=E2=80=99s CC2018 and I=E2= =80=99m sure the latest update >=20 > I also downloaded some free pano shots from wpanorama.com to test with Pho= toshop 3D viewer, and while the 360 wrap was seamless the horizontal squish w= as still present. So, why are my photos not wrapping properly, how can I fix= or ensure better shots? And is the Adobe 3D viewer just bunk and I should t= ry something more reliable? >=20 > Any ideas of where to look or what other app to use to pull off this job m= assively welcome. My first foray into anything VR so it=E2=80=99s a bit of a= learning curve, which is fine, but every how-to page I=E2=80=99ve found jus= t makes it sound bing-bang-boom easy as pie you=E2=80=99re done.=20 >=20 > I can supply files if anyone=E2=80=99s that interested >=20 > Thx > Adam >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > =20 >=20 > =20 > -- > brian higgins | creative director > Flavor > ny =E2=80=A2 chicago =E2=80=A2 la =E2=80=A2 detroit =E2=80=A2 tokyo > 312.706.5500 > brian.higgins@flavor.tv > flavor.tv > =20 --Apple-Mail-3814CF43-EE5F-44F0-88E2-01BF10459D54 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steven, Nick, Brian

Than= ks all for swift responses. 

I had downloaded d= emos of PTGui and AutoPanoPro but tried Photoshop first as I already have it= , it=E2=80=99s free and I know it. I am playing with APP now, but PTG is abo= ut the same price so that=E2=80=99s not a factor. It=E2=80=99s not as straig= htforward as PS but there=E2=80=99s video lessons at least. 
=
As far as the nodal ninja is concerned I=E2=80=99ve heard Ale= x Lindsay discuss these in the past. In this case I think it=E2=80=99s overk= ill. I=E2=80=99m not about to invest in something I=E2=80=99ll likely only u= se once. If this client calls back and I do these regularly then it will bec= ome something I=E2=80=99ll need. 

FWIW the PS s= titching within the edges is brilliant. No complaints at all. It=E2=80=99s u= nfortunate that it falls short in other areas (the full 360). And that=E2=80= =99s what really chaps my hide about Adobe these days/years. We are forced t= o pay every month for gimmicks and half baked features month after month, bu= t real tools or real performance updates are few and far between. They add s= o called features like Photomerge, but we end up having to go buy other soft= ware anyway. I wish they would do away with creative cloud and let us choose= if we want to upgrade or not. Give them a proper incentive to produce tools= we need and can use.

Tangential rant over, thanks f= or the ideas.
Adam

Sent from= my iPad

On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wro= te:

We did a tremendous amount of panoramic stitching for= my giant screen film and stopped using Photoshop early in the game. Althoug= h the UI is not exactly modern, PT Gui puts all other apps to shame that we t= ested a few years ago. Plus has blazing GPU acceleration and good user community and the viewer works very w= ell.

 

Best,

 

stephen van vuuren=

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or sh= ould be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a progress= ion of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the= meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick<= /span>

 

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:32 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Photoshop Panoramic 360 imaging

=

 

I use a Nodal Ninja like the one linked along with a p= rogram called PT Gui for my pano work, but I shoot them CG/HDR usage. To get= rid of your seam, try the offset filter in Photoshop.  Offset it to re= veal the seam in your image, clone it out, then offset it back by the original amount and you should be good t= o go.

 

It has a heavy CG bent, but I learned how to do all t= his stuff from this book, which is great:

 

-b

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:07 AM Nick Fox-Gieg <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :

Try Mettle tools that were recently integrated into A= E--that should give you a way to get your logo into an equirect without dist= ortion, and also a reliable way to view the result. 

 

As for creating better panoramas, that's a huge quest= ion, and as much about hardware as software. I'd say (except via photogramme= try) you can't do good 360 video or stereo panoramas with a DSLR or ball-of-= GoPros, no matter how many of them you have. You need a purpose-built 360 camera--here's a bit more detail on w= hy:

 

However for a mono still panorama, which sounds like y= our situation, there's a much simpler solution--one regular DSLR with a NPP (= "No Parallax Point") tripod mount like this: 


Nick

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motio= n.tv> wrote:

Hi gang, this is not an after effects problem, but th= e great minds in this group probably have some experience here that I can ta= p into.

Got a request from a new client to produce a 360 image built from photos I s= hoot with their logo added in.  I did a bit of google research and spen= t yesterday afternoon shooting some test shots in my back garden. I brought t= hese shots into Photoshop and used Photomerge to combine them into (a) a cylindrical map and (b) a spherical m= ap. I added a logo to the long flat combined image, but when viewed in the 3= D viewer there were some problems.

1. The image is squished horizontally so everything is tall and narrow. Obvi= ously a no go where client logos are concerned. The settings in the dialog b= ox to view the pano seem to have no relevance here as changing them made no d= ifference to the results.

2. The ends of the pano do not blend like the middle shots do, creating a di= stinct seam at one point of the 360 pano. I shot ten images, left to right, o= verlapping 30-40% each side. Files are named 1-10 and added to the Photomerg= e panel in that order. Photomerge then sets image 5 as the first layer and blends all the others in sequence,= even wrapping around from 10 back to 1 in my shots. It does not wrap the =E2= =80=98ends=E2=80=99 of the image creating a seamless 360, which turns out to= be images 5 and 6.

3. In the Adobe help page for Photomerge it suggests having a top/bottom or c= eiling/floor images to create 360 x 180 pano, but never gives the steps to d= o this. Also, the menu item in the help page does not correspond to the vers= ion of Photoshop I have (19.4.1 if I recall). It=E2=80=99s CC2018 and I=E2=80=99m sure the latest update
I also downloaded some free pano shots from wpanorama.com to test with Photoshop 3D viewer, and while the 360 wrap w= as seamless the horizontal squish was still present. So, why are my photos n= ot wrapping properly, how can I fix or ensure better shots? And is the Adobe= 3D viewer just bunk and I should try something more reliable?

Any ideas of where to look or what other app to use to pull off this job mas= sively welcome. My first foray into anything VR so it=E2=80=99s a bit of a l= earning curve, which is fine, but every how-to page I=E2=80=99ve found just m= akes it sound bing-bang-boom easy as pie you=E2=80=99re done.

I can supply files if anyone=E2=80=99s that interested

Thx
Adam

Sent from my iPad

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