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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable PTGui is by far the best. We often stitch then give solution to Editors to = use in AutoPano. From: After Effects Mail List Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:39 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D =5BOT=5D Photoshop Panoramic 360 imaging Steven, Nick, Brian Thanks all for swift responses. I had downloaded demos of PTGui and AutoPanoPro but tried Photoshop first = as I already have it, it=E2=80=99s free and I know it. I am playing with = APP now, but PTG is about the same price so that=E2=80=99s not a factor. = It=E2=80=99s not as straightforward as PS but there=E2=80=99s video = lessons at least. As far as the nodal ninja is concerned I=E2=80=99ve heard Alex Lindsay = discuss these in the past. In this case I think it=E2=80=99s overkill. = I=E2=80=99m not about to invest in something I=E2=80=99ll likely only use = once. If this client calls back and I do these regularly then it will = become something I=E2=80=99ll need. FWIW the PS stitching within the edges is brilliant. No complaints at all. = It=E2=80=99s unfortunate that it falls short in other areas (the full = 360). And that=E2=80=99s what really chaps my hide about Adobe these = days/years. We are forced to pay every month for gimmicks and half baked = features month after month, but real tools or real performance updates are = few and far between. They add so called features like Photomerge, but we = end up having to go buy other software anyway. I wish they would do away = with creative cloud and let us choose if we want to upgrade or not. Give = them a proper incentive to produce tools we need and can use. Tangential rant over, thanks for the ideas. Adam Sent from my iPad On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Stephen van Vuuren = > wrote: We did a tremendous amount of panoramic stitching for my giant screen film = and stopped using Photoshop early in the game. Although the UI is not = exactly modern, PT Gui puts all other apps to shame that we tested a few = years ago. Plus has blazing GPU acceleration and good user community and = the viewer works very well. Best, stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.sv2dcp.com/ A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List = > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:32 PM To: After Effects Mail List = > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D =5BOT=5D Photoshop Panoramic 360 imaging I use a Nodal Ninja like the one linked along with a program called PT Gui = for my pano work, but I shoot them CG/HDR usage. To get rid of your seam, = try the offset filter in Photoshop. Offset it to reveal the seam in your = image, clone it out, then offset it back by the original amount and you = should be good to go. It has a heavy CG bent, but I learned how to do all this stuff from this = book, which is great: http://www.hdrlabs.com/book/ -b On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:07 AM Nick Fox-Gieg = > wrote: Try Mettle tools that were recently integrated into AE--that should give = you a way to get your logo into an equirect without distortion, and also a = reliable way to view the result. As for creating better panoramas, that's a huge question, and as much = about hardware as software. I'd say (except via photogrammetry) you can't = do good 360 video or stereo panoramas with a DSLR or ball-of-GoPros, no = matter how many of them you have. You need a purpose-built 360 = camera--here's a bit more detail on why: https://developers.google.com/vr/jump/rendering-ods-content.pdf However for a mono still panorama, which sounds like your situation, = there's a much simpler solution--one regular DSLR with a NPP (=22No = Parallax Point=22) tripod mount like this: https://shop.nodalninja.com/nn3-mk3-series/ Nick On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Adam Mercado = > wrote: Hi gang, this is not an after effects problem, but the great minds in this = group probably have some experience here that I can tap into. Got a request from a new client to produce a 360 image built from photos I = shoot with their logo added in. I did a bit of google research and spent = yesterday afternoon shooting some test shots in my back garden. I brought = these shots into Photoshop and used Photomerge to combine them into (a) a = cylindrical map and (b) a spherical map. I added a logo to the long flat = combined image, but when viewed in the 3D viewer there were some problems. 1. The image is squished horizontally so everything is tall and narrow. = Obviously a no go where client logos are concerned. The settings in the = dialog box to view the pano seem to have no relevance here as changing = them made no difference to the results. 2. The ends of the pano do not blend like the middle shots do, creating a = distinct seam at one point of the 360 pano. I shot ten images, left to = right, overlapping 30-40% each side. Files are named 1-10 and added to the = Photomerge panel in that order. Photomerge then sets image 5 as the first = layer and blends all the others in sequence, even wrapping around from 10 = back to 1 in my shots. It does not wrap the =E2=80=98ends=E2=80=99 of the = image creating a seamless 360, which turns out to be images 5 and 6. 3. In the Adobe help page for Photomerge it suggests having a top/bottom = or ceiling/floor images to create 360 x 180 pano, but never gives the = steps to do this. Also, the menu item in the help page does not correspond = to the version of Photoshop I have (19.4.1 if I recall). It=E2=80=99s = CC2018 and I=E2=80=99m sure the latest update I also downloaded some free pano shots from = wpanorama.com to test with Photoshop 3D viewer, and = while the 360 wrap was seamless the horizontal squish was still present. = So, why are my photos not wrapping properly, how can I fix or ensure = better shots? And is the Adobe 3D viewer just bunk and I should try = something more reliable? Any ideas of where to look or what other app to use to pull off this job = massively welcome. My first foray into anything VR so it=E2=80=99s a bit = of a learning curve, which is fine, but every how-to page I=E2=80=99ve = found just makes it sound bing-bang-boom easy as pie you=E2=80=99re done. I can supply files if anyone=E2=80=99s that interested Thx Adam Sent from my iPad +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to = > -- brian higgins =7C creative director Flavor ny =E2=80=A2 chicago =E2=80=A2 la =E2=80=A2 detroit =E2=80=A2 tokyo 312.706.5500 brian.higgins=40flavor.tv flavor.tv ________________________________ --_000_DM5PR10MB1819325682DEF4457776055EDE2D0DM5PR10MB1819namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <=21--=5Bif =21mso=5D><=21=5Bendif=5D--><=21--=5Bif gte mso 9=5D> <=21=5Bendif=5D--><=21--=5Bif gte mso 9=5D> <=21=5Bendif=5D-->

PTGui is by far the best. We often stitch then = give solution to Editors to use in AutoPano.

 

From: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 1:39 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D =5BOT=5D Photoshop Panoramic 360 = imaging

 

Steven, Nick, Brian

 

Thanks all for swift = responses. 

 

I had downloaded demos of PTGui and AutoPanoPro = but tried Photoshop first as I already have it, it=E2=80=99s free and I = know it. I am playing with APP now, but PTG is about the same price so = that=E2=80=99s not a factor. It=E2=80=99s not as straightforward as PS but there=E2=80=99s video lessons at least. 

 

As far as the nodal ninja is concerned = I=E2=80=99ve heard Alex Lindsay discuss these in the past. In this case I = think it=E2=80=99s overkill. I=E2=80=99m not about to invest in something = I=E2=80=99ll likely only use once. If this client calls back and I do = these regularly then it will become something I=E2=80=99ll need. 

 

FWIW the PS stitching within the edges is = brilliant. No complaints at all. It=E2=80=99s unfortunate that it falls = short in other areas (the full 360). And that=E2=80=99s what really chaps = my hide about Adobe these days/years. We are forced to pay every month for gimmicks and half baked features month after month, but real = tools or real performance updates are few and far between. They add so = called features like Photomerge, but we end up having to go buy other = software anyway. I wish they would do away with creative cloud and let us choose if we want to upgrade or not. Give them = a proper incentive to produce tools we need and can use.

 

Tangential rant over, thanks for the = ideas.

Adam

Sent from my iPad


On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List=40media-motion.tv= > wrote:

We did a tremendous amount of panoramic = stitching for my giant screen film and stopped using Photoshop early in = the game. Although the UI is not exactly modern, PT Gui puts all other = apps to shame that we tested a few years ago. Plus has blazing GPU acceleration and good user community and the viewer works = very well.

 

Best,

 

stephen van = vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/=

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.sv2dcp.com/=

 

A film is = =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv= >
Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:32 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv= >
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D =5BOT=5D Photoshop Panoramic 360 = imaging

 

I use a Nodal Ninja like the one linked along = with a program called PT Gui for my pano work, but I shoot them CG/HDR = usage. To get rid of your seam, try the offset filter in Photoshop.  = Offset it to reveal the seam in your image, clone it out, then offset it back by the original amount and you should be good = to go.

 

It has a heavy CG bent, but I learned how to do = all this stuff from this book, which is great:

 

-b

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:07 AM Nick Fox-Gieg = <AE-List=40media-motion.tv= > wrote:

Try Mettle tools that were recently integrated = into AE--that should give you a way to get your logo into an equirect = without distortion, and also a reliable way to view the = result. 

 

As for creating better panoramas, that's a huge = question, and as much about hardware as software. I'd say (except via = photogrammetry) you can't do good 360 video or stereo panoramas with a = DSLR or ball-of-GoPros, no matter how many of them you have. You need a purpose-built 360 camera--here's a bit more detail = on why:

 

However for a mono still panorama, which sounds = like your situation, there's a much simpler solution--one regular DSLR = with a NPP ("No Parallax Point") tripod mount like = this: 


Nick

 

On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Adam Mercado = <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Hi gang, this is not an after effects problem, = but the great minds in this group probably have some experience here that = I can tap into.

Got a request from a new client to produce a 360 image built from photos I = shoot with their logo added in.  I did a bit of google research and = spent yesterday afternoon shooting some test shots in my back garden. I = brought these shots into Photoshop and used Photomerge to combine them into (a) a cylindrical map and (b) a spherical = map. I added a logo to the long flat combined image, but when viewed in = the 3D viewer there were some problems.

1. The image is squished horizontally so everything is tall and narrow. = Obviously a no go where client logos are concerned. The settings in the = dialog box to view the pano seem to have no relevance here as changing = them made no difference to the results.

2. The ends of the pano do not blend like the middle shots do, creating a = distinct seam at one point of the 360 pano. I shot ten images, left to = right, overlapping 30-40% each side. Files are named 1-10 and added to the = Photomerge panel in that order. Photomerge then sets image 5 as the first layer and blends all the others in = sequence, even wrapping around from 10 back to 1 in my shots. It does not = wrap the =E2=80=98ends=E2=80=99 of the image creating a seamless 360, = which turns out to be images 5 and 6.

3. In the Adobe help page for Photomerge it suggests having a top/bottom = or ceiling/floor images to create 360 x 180 pano, but never gives the = steps to do this. Also, the menu item in the help page does not correspond = to the version of Photoshop I have (19.4.1 if I recall). It=E2=80=99s CC2018 and I=E2=80=99m sure the latest = update

I also downloaded some free pano shots from wpanorama.com to test with Photoshop 3D viewer, and while the 360 wrap = was seamless the horizontal squish was still present. So, why are my = photos not wrapping properly, how can I fix or ensure better shots? And is = the Adobe 3D viewer just bunk and I should try something more reliable?

Any ideas of where to look or what other app to use to pull off this job = massively welcome. My first foray into anything VR so it=E2=80=99s a bit = of a learning curve, which is fine, but every how-to page I=E2=80=99ve = found just makes it sound bing-bang-boom easy as pie you=E2=80=99re done.

I can supply files if anyone=E2=80=99s that interested

Thx
Adam

Sent from my iPad

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