From: "Ross Shain" Received: from mail-yw1-f45.google.com ([209.85.161.45] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7130672 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:45:44 +0200 Received: by mail-yw1-f45.google.com with SMTP id w76-v6so6266310ywg.4 for ; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:55:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FYbdIL3+KhLGn1QIYxxhaLF+qjEuD+Qa5/twA5qfjP8=; b=aJG19WYIDG1D07NTnkFZK/DxDED3snNQ2Tu1xWUIyFV0gM9fxPJOl1wPmGCoDtBRpu QysWFJSrdROVELlz/iJ+4XvbdFaoEHMl6+D+oc4Dz63MwIVR+HmClOMvVhbRoMmfBnVS LOArUiAmZMol1XeYimnOw0I/bxbfe3zDLtFcTNIoojLTKtuEfCRyUc4LKpaQjIzOCm/f MdpePXvqg3NRSayO/wnGqwVKHKfHFoX3vb5NhAwSXjueBTpHGRWdE6g2GGE9/+e/4RkH I1qP2MfvQrpESY5iOMw4M+9eXvkXhg+4dZKfOXkiRh5O6K7HmqyeXHPvIRHkeCVSfZAe f7nQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=FYbdIL3+KhLGn1QIYxxhaLF+qjEuD+Qa5/twA5qfjP8=; b=fHtZYROe96MJ9+/Gz8/H1k+pj2Rrxx24xaZ1ch2+J5Heiq6BKgh2090xxvIZgK6JwL Td+/PvIve1kXeG0D0B1aNxmYGKAwOVygmY4swtzx+mMRSzvQikQcatyL4IC0fAPI3220 IYMcI9WM118a23Eu6T6W/9jDZ92W1cCI8ClK2CPl91tQyi3d2McviJVdp53bOjxiI3oH fjj4vJY/uM8XeuR8m60SgeCZjZ7MpHd4p/91Z3Z5lzokLvw2QGyzHkyqmCEVTj3Zyd2p elhfOAT6Dwfr+pFPm4m2t80L77OyiSAIXJIyyP3J7a10hvtF8qG+xzTvATFC52nF/EEJ 7O8g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGDvLWpSJwikIYa+RKj/uDM661UbfEvCAYM0ds/FLBKHKirzpSw uiuPc6sy5q2KPEufYgKDNkmluqNA95PZyyeOqPW9wp6V X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPx36HToWumVA52h1w+UP+1aoxxFb/T7oK/wMeqe2QjlD5Krd1PK104iNq8LKjPP1kubHfXnDngk+ESjWJlttRs= X-Received: by 2002:a1f:dc3:: with SMTP id 186-v6mr2299457vkn.103.1533844489609; Thu, 09 Aug 2018 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:ab0:604d:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Aug 2018 12:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 15:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha Pro camera solver plug-in To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f1c999057305ff40" --000000000000f1c999057305ff40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry Jim -I will let our people know this installer has been hard find. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts as well. An important thing to note about the Mocha Camera Solver is it only uses tracked planes for solves. The solves will really only be good if you know how to use Mocha and firmly grasp the general strengths of planar tracking and using multi-shapes to avoid occlusions & reflections. Before doing the solve and exporting, make sure that your selected surfaces are aligned. The surface alignment will translate into the 3D Null positions. (5 for each selected Mocha surface). What you are producing is a very light weight "plane cloud" ... a solve for each tracked surface corner vs a point cloud. IMO - Mocha's solver does not really replace a full blown 3D tracker, as the solve is light weight and will not be mathematically correct for detailed CGI compositing. In other words, since the solve is based on very minimal data, the camera and plane can be accurate but the overall scene might not be fully correct. Where it is useful, is when other 3D solvers fail and you need a simple 3D solve for set extensions, motion graphics, etc. On related note - as a gag/workaround, if you have a shot that the AE camera tracker is not handling well. Sometimes you can do a quick Mocha planar track and render a texture graphic on the clip. Then re-run it through the AE camera tracker. So if there are out-of-focus areas or lots of reflections, you can use Mocha's regular planar tracking to help. Teddy - to be clear, no matte if you are running the Mocha Pro standalone application OR the Mocha Pro Adobe plug-in, you still need to install the mentioned 3D tracker import plug-in if you want to paste Mocha's 3D solver (vs the typical 2.5D surface to corner pin workflow). Hope this helps! -R On 9 August 2018 at 15:32, Jim Curtis wrote: > Thank you, Ross! > > I spent about a half hour searching for that. Seems like the link should > be in the documentation, and the plug-in installed with Mocha Pro. I als= o > found some posts on forums asking why this vital component was so hard to > find. > > There was a link mentioned in the tutorials, but it was at imagineer > systems, and 404. > > Now, I=E2=80=99m in the solving business. > > Jim C. > > > On Aug 9, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Ross Shain wrote: > > You need to install a free 3D track importer plug-in: > https://borisfx.com/downloads/?&product=3DMocha%203D%20Track%20Importer > > > > > On 9 August 2018 at 15:17, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> I downloaded Mocha Pro and watched six hours of tutorials last night >> because the AE 3D camera solver isn=E2=80=99t working on some of my shot= s. But, >> when I finally got my first shot solves and copied the solver data, the >> plug-in to paste it on my layer in Ae is nowhere to be found. It doesn= =E2=80=99t >> install apparently, with the Mocha Pro plug in. >> >> I searched the Boris site, and also, nowhere to be found, using various >> wording in the Search field. >> >> Does anybody happen to have a download link? I=E2=80=99m dead in the wa= ter until >> I can use that data. >> >> (BTW, the tutorials I watched were based on earlier versions of Mocha >> Pro. Maybe they moved the plug-in or made it obsolete?) >> >> Thanks, >> Jim C. >> > > > > -- > > *Ross Shain* > Chief Product Officer: Mocha > +1.646.298.6458 | borisfx.com > > > > > > > > > > --=20 *Ross Shain* Chief Product Officer: Mocha +1.646.298.6458 | borisfx.com --000000000000f1c999057305ff40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry Jim -I will let our people know this installer has b= een hard find.=C2=A0

I'd be curious to hear your tho= ughts as well. An important thing to note about the Mocha Camera Solver is = it only uses tracked planes for solves. The solves will really only be good= if you know how to use Mocha and firmly grasp the general strengths of pla= nar tracking and using multi-shapes to avoid occlusions & reflections.= =C2=A0

Before doing the solve and exporting, make = sure that your selected surfaces are aligned. The surface alignment will tr= anslate into the 3D Null positions. (5 for each selected Mocha surface). Wh= at you are producing is a very light weight "plane cloud" ... a s= olve for each tracked surface corner vs a point cloud.=C2=A0

=
IMO - Mocha's solver does not really replace a full blown 3D= tracker, as the solve is light weight and will not be mathematically corre= ct for detailed CGI compositing. In other words, since the solve is based o= n very minimal data, the camera and plane can be accurate but the overall s= cene might not be fully correct. Where it is useful, is when other 3D solve= rs fail and you need a simple 3D solve for set extensions, motion graphics,= etc.=C2=A0

On related note - as a gag/workaround,= if you have a shot that the AE camera tracker is not handling well. Someti= mes you can do a quick Mocha planar track and render a texture graphic on t= he clip. Then re-run it through the AE camera tracker. So if there are out-= of-focus areas or lots of reflections, you can use Mocha's regular plan= ar tracking to help.=C2=A0

Teddy - to be clear, no= matte if you are running the Mocha Pro standalone application OR the Mocha= Pro Adobe plug-in, you still need to install the mentioned 3D tracker impo= rt plug-in if you want to paste Mocha's 3D solver (vs the typical 2.5D = surface to corner pin workflow).=C2=A0

Hope this h= elps!=C2=A0
-R


On 9 August 2018 at 15:32, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
= Thank you, Ross! =C2=A0

I spent about a half hour search= ing for that.=C2=A0 Seems like the link should be in the documentation, and= the plug-in installed with Mocha Pro.=C2=A0 I also found some posts on for= ums asking why this vital component was so hard to find.

There was a link mentioned in the tutorials, but it was at imagineer syste= ms, and 404.

Now, I=E2=80=99m in the solving busin= ess.=C2=A0

Jim C.

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On Aug 9, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Ross Sha= in <AE-List= @media-motion.tv> wrote:

You need to install a free 3D = track importer plug-in:=C2=A0




On 9 August 2018 at 15:17, Jim = Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I downloaded Mocha Pro and watched six hours of tu= torials last night because the AE 3D camera solver isn=E2=80=99t working on= some of my shots.=C2=A0 But, when I finally got my first shot solves and c= opied the solver data, the plug-in to paste it on my layer in Ae is nowhere= to be found.=C2=A0 It doesn=E2=80=99t install apparently, with the Mocha P= ro plug in.

I searched the Boris site, and also, nowhere= to be found, using various wording in the Search field.

Does anybody happen to have a download link?=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m dead = in the water until I can use that data.

(BTW, the = tutorials I watched were based on earlier versions of Mocha Pro. Maybe they= moved the plug-in or made it obsolete?)

Thanks,
Jim C.


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