Mailing List AE-List@media-motion.tv — Message #64313
From: Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha Pro camera solver plug-in
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 16:29:52 -0400
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Ha good to know Ross, must confess I don't use the Mocha Pro 3D camera solver much - the shots I have done were generally flat pans for set extensions like you mentioned. I typically use the C4D 3D camera solver instead - so wasn't aware of this additional plugin for the 3D data. Also Jim (and everyone) there's a 25-40% off Mocha Pro licenses on toolfarm.com, with code MYCART for an additional 5%. I think it makes the perm license a bargain
-TG

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 3:55 PM Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Sorry Jim -I will let our people know this installer has been hard find. 

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts as well. An important thing to note about the Mocha Camera Solver is it only uses tracked planes for solves. The solves will really only be good if you know how to use Mocha and firmly grasp the general strengths of planar tracking and using multi-shapes to avoid occlusions & reflections. 

Before doing the solve and exporting, make sure that your selected surfaces are aligned. The surface alignment will translate into the 3D Null positions. (5 for each selected Mocha surface). What you are producing is a very light weight "plane cloud" ... a solve for each tracked surface corner vs a point cloud. 

IMO - Mocha's solver does not really replace a full blown 3D tracker, as the solve is light weight and will not be mathematically correct for detailed CGI compositing. In other words, since the solve is based on very minimal data, the camera and plane can be accurate but the overall scene might not be fully correct. Where it is useful, is when other 3D solvers fail and you need a simple 3D solve for set extensions, motion graphics, etc. 

On related note - as a gag/workaround, if you have a shot that the AE camera tracker is not handling well. Sometimes you can do a quick Mocha planar track and render a texture graphic on the clip. Then re-run it through the AE camera tracker. So if there are out-of-focus areas or lots of reflections, you can use Mocha's regular planar tracking to help. 

Teddy - to be clear, no matte if you are running the Mocha Pro standalone application OR the Mocha Pro Adobe plug-in, you still need to install the mentioned 3D tracker import plug-in if you want to paste Mocha's 3D solver (vs the typical 2.5D surface to corner pin workflow). 

Hope this helps! 
-R


On 9 August 2018 at 15:32, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thank you, Ross!  

I spent about a half hour searching for that.  Seems like the link should be in the documentation, and the plug-in installed with Mocha Pro.  I also found some posts on forums asking why this vital component was so hard to find.

There was a link mentioned in the tutorials, but it was at imagineer systems, and 404.

Now, I’m in the solving business. 

Jim C.


On Aug 9, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

You need to install a free 3D track importer plug-in: 




On 9 August 2018 at 15:17, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I downloaded Mocha Pro and watched six hours of tutorials last night because the AE 3D camera solver isn’t working on some of my shots.  But, when I finally got my first shot solves and copied the solver data, the plug-in to paste it on my layer in Ae is nowhere to be found.  It doesn’t install apparently, with the Mocha Pro plug in.

I searched the Boris site, and also, nowhere to be found, using various wording in the Search field.

Does anybody happen to have a download link?  I’m dead in the water until I can use that data.

(BTW, the tutorials I watched were based on earlier versions of Mocha Pro. Maybe they moved the plug-in or made it obsolete?)

Thanks,
Jim C.



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Ross Shain
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Ross Shain
Chief Product Officer: Mocha
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