From: "Timothy Sassoon" Received: from mail-pl0-f54.google.com ([209.85.160.54] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7134230 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:39:36 +0200 Received: by mail-pl0-f54.google.com with SMTP id d5-v6so841692pll.4 for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:49:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version; bh=kXjrj05KdMFMnesvy93ov2hGjlgX9bUIWxok1KPpFpo=; b=QY0Jq1j9NKK3Xp0FVPNAp7cNENhfX5/UnWtJXXvuzuZbg5ZnxlckKtSS2HIu6vrUfX /4lPBWxTusdAPMYHxeZBcbq3Mdl9/T3wSlTmdGkkQ0Gem+RhKKBVb5ATUe9Dr3cxdZm0 4gn7EMGFwNg/0d7WKQ0x5kqn7OFeZLjqSFCeTL9swf/6tye3uukpFFmc6+Rvvs89e9JK T/jrI1hty8dWXotJhPtOpbyoj5IJQrhgTkjR+5S0hbXLpcCd5aAwg9uXjYERTS1NDVVT kRo23lFSW4mv/keztWwF6LT12FJK4pf+Xy4Baa4E1wMR4sh6Bz7uXuylTDQwxV3/Uczq Tybw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version; bh=kXjrj05KdMFMnesvy93ov2hGjlgX9bUIWxok1KPpFpo=; b=llnbjCNbthT42hTuxVn+uTm0GAYNLsV0RbfZCkbxmDK0Bbfs8OjIdiFUTqRIm9qmX0 +CFKEH6wzINIW2G/fUCSVQlKpb5IgIvPsIy7O+8LCISXBSMh4V4/g2WUcsZR0VZcJZTO 6U6LG+VqIX7EzMjdlWwiqoMNgY6Edr1WnzURRyK9J6d0gymYr4BAN3auwRwhq2Skl0tn yHDDDgGXGIrQIrdaIgVv8beUcZdOZv2tpVTjQq+dgwZYTMR52162giN/N4xLDAOUBhS0 2nLOoupjCaTv1xFHmrmTDz6MFKqmD3kMXLRPIIRDpc/zYM3HmZP7KO6edmBE4GGPot3Y 9TTg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGbjxRPxmjtjwG/iISsu3APZBEPa7YS8//T5SSqcaJGB9higgDL Oux2ZN1mXau8NtK8+V+PpIUkkO0n X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA+uWPy/a/RIM2ouPDDVp1u3iYnKaHyMlm1+2kCQGo6uwzKOOa4jh8pmRzMDshrY8ikxPcZ2VGvdbQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:760b:: with SMTP id k11-v6mr25622910pll.91.1534358953743; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [2605:e000:1520:76c:88ce:f2b6:100::] ([2605:e000:1520:76c:38f1:15e2:36f1:194e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k64-v6sm39968220pfg.141.2018.08.15.11.49.13 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:49:05 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <33c7b35b-6057-43e3-bc6d-efc709394b0a@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] Urgent Cineon export questions X-Readdle-Message-ID: 33c7b35b-6057-43e3-bc6d-efc709394b0a@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5b7475a8_25e45d32_271" --5b7475a8_25e45d32_271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Or you were Linear Light. But that doesn=E2=80=99t seem like the case. Tim On Aug 15, 2018, 11:47 AM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren , wrote: > PS. I don=E2=80=99t know if I have =E2=80=9Coverwhites=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93= I don=E2=80=99t have any true clipping in the 16-bit master, that would = only apply if I were using floating point, correct=3F > > =46rom: After Effects Mail List > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:35 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Urgent Cineon export questions > > Stephen, > > Gamma is meant to match your display target, so that the files look the= same on any display. > > Black point should be 95, and the 90% white point to taste - 685 is spe= c, but I usually went to 710 or so. Do you have over-whites you want to d= efine=3F > > Yes, you should be going Lin to log. > > BTW, check your settings by adding another AL with Cineon set to a inte= rpret from log to Lin, display gamma whatever your display is set at, 95 = and 685, as a print predictor. > > Tim Sassoon > Sassoon =46ilm Design > 350 Sunset Avenue > Suite =231 > Venice, CA 90291 > > W 310.664.9115 > M 310.266.8630 > On Aug 15, 2018, 11:27 AM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren , wrote: > > > It's been years since I delivered log cineon file and sleep deprived = brain is not working. Client is asking for: > > > > =22 DPX (Cineon) format, 10 bit color, P3-D65 color space=22 > > > > I confirmed they want log not linear. My project is 16-bit, I've set = it to P3- D65 color space. Export will be CC 2014 (for speed). I assume C= ineon export still does conversion linear to log since there is checkbox = still for =22logarithmic conversion=22 which I've check and set unit to 1= 6-bit. > > > > However, unclear on if anything else from =22full range preset=22 nee= ds to be adjusted e.g. ' current gamma is 1=22 - should that not be 2.4 (= which was my calibration target)=3F > > > > Googling shows people doing all sorts of thing. > > > > Stephen > > > > -----Original Message----- > > =46rom: After Effects Mail List > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:56 PM > > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Major Ae project corruption - and how I fixed i= t. > > > > Importing troublesome projects has saved me many times. > > > > > > On 8/15/2018 12:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > > > > > After working on this project for a week, my iStat menus are report= ing that all 12 cores are at 100% when I just have Ae running and no comp= s even open. Computer is correspondingly very sluggish and beach-bally (O= SX). > > > > > > I deleted prefs and un- and re-installed Ae and it persisted. > > > > > > It only happens with one project that=E2=80=99s gotten pretty large= - lots of tracking and 3D camera solves. Keyframes galore. Each save tak= es around 30 seconds. > > > > > > I think I fixed it. It was laborious: > > > > > > > > > I have 10 comps in the corrupt Project. > > > Select Comp 01, Reduce Project, Save As =E2=80=9CComp 01-100=E2=80=9D= (100 is for my > > > CPUs pegging at 100%) Create New Project. > > > Import Comp 01-100 - CPU levels go back to normal: what I expect fo= r an idling Ae Project. > > > Save as =22Comp 01 only.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > Repeat process after opening original 10-com corrupt project for al= l 10 Comps. > > > > > > I might import all 10 Comps into a master Project again, but only a= fter I start feeling lucky again. > > > > > > Posting this in case anybody else runs into a similar issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > Epilog / PS. This didn=E2=80=99t work on one Comp. So, I opened the= Comp. Select all Layers. Copy. Create New Project and Comp. Paste. Relin= k footage. I got an error message telling my footage was tracked on a 360= x 180 layer (=3F=3F=3F - Not true), but my tracking data was fine. I jus= t deleted the Mocha Pro plug-in that created the data, and all is well. S= ave. > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to --5b7475a8_25e45d32_271 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Or you were Linear Light. But that d= oesn=E2=80=99t seem like the case.

Tim
On Aug 15, 2018, 11:47 AM -0700, St= ephen van Vuuren <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>, wrote:

PS. I don=E2=80=99t know if I have =E2=80=9Cov= erwhites=E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 I don=E2=80=99t have any true clipping in the= 16-bit master, that would only apply if I were using floating point, cor= rect=3F

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:35 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
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Stephen,

Gamma is meant to match your display target, so that the files look the s= ame on any display.

Black point should be 95, and the 90% white point to taste - 685 is spec,= but I usually went to 710 or so. Do you have over-whites you want to def= ine=3F

Yes, you should be going Lin to log.

BTW, check your settings by adding another AL with Cineon set to a interp= ret from log to Lin, display gamma whatever your display is set at, 95 an= d 685, as a print predictor.


Tim Sassoon
Sassoon =46ilm Design
350 Sunset Avenue
Suite =231
Venice, CA 90291

W 310.664.9115
M 310.266.8630

On Aug 15, 2018, 11:27 AM -0700, Stephen van V= uuren <AE-List=40medi= a-motion.tv>, wrote:

It's been years since I delivered log cineon f= ile and sleep deprived brain is not working. Client is asking for:

=22 DPX (Cineon) format, 10 bit color, P3-D65 color space=22

I confirmed they want log not linear. My project is 16-bit, I've set it t= o P3- D65 color space. Export will be CC 2014 (for speed). I assume Cineo= n export still does conversion linear to log since there is checkbox stil= l for =22logarithmic conversion=22 which I've check and set unit to 16-bi= t.

However, unclear on if anything else from =22full range preset=22 needs t= o be adjusted e.g. ' current gamma is 1=22 - should that not be 2.4 (whic= h was my calibration target)=3F

Googling shows people doing all sorts of thing.

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
=46rom: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:56 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Major Ae project corruption - and how I fixed it.
Importing troublesome projects has saved me many times.


On 8/15/2018 12:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:

After working on this project for a week, my i= Stat menus are reporting that all 12 cores are at 100% when I just have A= e running and no comps even open. Computer is correspondingly very sluggi= sh and beach-bally (OSX).

I deleted prefs and un- and re-installed Ae and it persisted.

It only happens with one project that=E2=80=99s gotten pretty large - lot= s of tracking and 3D camera solves. Keyframes galore. Each save takes aro= und 30 seconds.

I think I fixed it. It was laborious:


I have 10 comps in the corrupt Project.
Select Comp 01, Reduce Project, Save As =E2=80=9CComp 01-100=E2=80=9D (10= 0 is for my
CPUs pegging at 100%) Create New Project.
Import Comp 01-100 - CPU levels go back to normal: what I expect for an i= dling Ae Project.
Save as =22Comp 01 only.=E2=80=9D

Repeat process after opening original 10-com corrupt project for all 10 C= omps.

I might import all 10 Comps into a master Project again, but only after I= start feeling lucky again.

Posting this in case anybody else runs into a similar issue.



Epilog / PS. This didn=E2=80=99t work on one Comp. So, I opened the Comp.= Select all Layers. Copy. Create New Project and Comp. Paste. Relink foot= age. I got an error message telling my footage was tracked on a 360 x 180= layer (=3F=3F=3F - Not true), but my tracking data was fine. I just dele= ted the Mocha Pro plug-in that created the data, and all is well. Save.


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