From: Received: from sonic312-22.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.69.203] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7134249 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:28:16 +0200 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1534361873; bh=IhiC1lBrNnPmorzXI7rpPpHVxMFV/ANPTXsJz0hovxo=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=PjdIp+LaS7k63Hj1uq+Q0vWsafdWLqgEKCsyo903CWyc0QFXMclc/OA4txK/wFTFg22i/Y82wucW0SMkqGEoKZjTEZlgmM97K7sREs2w79Wlw049edsMuXm2aF7orV7hX0ryPsHq7fuTfwsooK6vC5OKMsjS5eAu7cLxh1Vfwxa5PoomYZySjSYF7K/dDKFCRO25aRUcxgA+FgWNHgEccA0AZGygb8Dfpf/MLUjxTeY8vmHp7xW/6wvtwquixjRPjqhvx8e9na6EMwNmSR4sxryQKohXSBzMILicuwIkAdY8bWrqfa5Ld07Un10jD9tL+jYaMMCYCzUeltIweMJKTQ== X-YMail-OSG: 9tQW8NMVM1mIirYvi4iiqAsOAbF0Q34FuL66U_PDcozTMmULFYHD0WETZE3pNxJ 17cZlMW0DUfj2TNTLHt9m8MRfAvJ2ZSEHk9vgJpt3UQe29rCcCgXgreFv7y35FlOstlaTgIROXI4 Cew.jhF2a4snFKOpk3ZM0atR.zO3O27Hd1MeFUhj41ZhhgqagivSvwIoiU5iLquLuP5Wp5Iif_.e Hf6RU5gxSvKRtQIm.vic7G2ihGlw5GlgmfDmvSCag0_5qBqvF_c9nHe1xCGmAIMFRrt2G_ig_BjR HEtNDK9SwngjAe70hZ_ODQB3pXRB8pxBG.3vfc_t6MlGsrL.9loWaeP5Gd6DViTGH9szLLf_3ldh QJXx8e20mxjem1dct3zmnAz0GoetthA.3usSNVZENY2b_nG1G4Onm3oQuPMrYRIzreKEzmG8PeN5 RBOS29X4aaIQbKK9U.8XkKevwD768nbiYPiMbu6.Gvw7kLloZwqYaRrSAYpQaPdTQXOJOXO7TY8Q pfdUARMQlXyuLyx7u.5FPpK.T1jDP2UTdfYUqiJPTS1XPmNuSoFWSnYzA7LeGhIIIlTjtos1t2Ur A43EuV0ofZ1wDgoHetGDIvAaguiE1ywB3b.5Uf5uSLvdOpxgYsQ6jerMj.AUX2uSzeHpH0F3ovqv ecQPNezjPiwv7.le8CPDR4MsuCjYgQlE0J3IIlF2Wh41wQ3uQ2I_cZEvY0mU6ChlBhfguVBjJ2so NBUbVAkZlsD_6mqWgpJIVPNI9nMZQisLNz8ezNk3P_9vIZ5iL8dPmgpBeWdv0MpufEG4fvYRR8Qz ZLjma3Ohtu5WlEj4X5N80ApEpK4meF.QDyy1F1Ln6BNidS1t_ZMfubV3o2eioWWhu_uPYpGCxZ7D QskFDqJV2MI1mR2JjmnFlgQoGVq7ih3lMWrcm4YDGfMo0GnNPoVtRy2MsSRKNEZHPu1cwxPCnQmT iFGOVNJfeoTI0ID93QGkj0JJNp_xmSvclJTuN3.VteLKf_YX4bY4pBD6YlvnQcKlN2dA- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic312.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:37:53 +0000 Received: from cpe-104-175-177-201.socal.res.rr.com (EHLO [192.168.0.108]) ([104.175.177.201]) by smtp402.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 6b2ac9b101f066f3b305b092b99fb1df for ; Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:37:30 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <798299f2-8167-4a8e-ac2e-294c4b601629@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] Urgent Cineon export questions X-Readdle-Message-ID: 798299f2-8167-4a8e-ac2e-294c4b601629@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5b748108_721da317_271" --5b748108_721da317_271 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Excellent=21 Hope you get good-looking film outs=21 There are a lot of ve= ry old problems which I=E2=80=99m sure will never be fixed On Aug 15, 2018, 12:34 PM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren , wrote: > Just wanted to thank you again =E2=80=93 you are exactly right =E2=80=93= doing the AL and converter results in perfect conversion back. Export re= nder settings does not. My brain started to recall that issue when messin= g with it. > > =46rom: After Effects Mail List > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:49 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Urgent Cineon export questions > > Or you were Linear Light. But that doesn=E2=80=99t seem like the case. > > Tim > On Aug 15, 2018, 11:47 AM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren , wrote: > > > PS. I don=E2=80=99t know if I have =E2=80=9Coverwhites=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =93 I don=E2=80=99t have any true clipping in the 16-bit master, that wou= ld only apply if I were using floating point, correct=3F > > > > =46rom: After Effects Mail List > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:35 PM > > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Urgent Cineon export questions > > > > Stephen, > > > > Gamma is meant to match your display target, so that the files look t= he same on any display. > > > > Black point should be 95, and the 90% white point to taste - 685 is s= pec, but I usually went to 710 or so. Do you have over-whites you want to= define=3F > > > > Yes, you should be going Lin to log. > > > > BTW, check your settings by adding another AL with Cineon set to a in= terpret from log to Lin, display gamma whatever your display is set at, 9= 5 and 685, as a print predictor. > > > > Tim Sassoon > > Sassoon =46ilm Design > > 350 Sunset Avenue > > Suite =231 > > Venice, CA 90291 > > > > W 310.664.9115 > > M 310.266.8630 > > On Aug 15, 2018, 11:27 AM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren , wrote: > > > It's been years since I delivered log cineon file and sleep deprive= d brain is not working. Client is asking for: > > > > > > =22 DPX (Cineon) format, 10 bit color, P3-D65 color space=22 > > > > > > I confirmed they want log not linear. My project is 16-bit, I've se= t it to P3- D65 color space. Export will be CC 2014 (for speed). I assume= Cineon export still does conversion linear to log since there is checkbo= x still for =22logarithmic conversion=22 which I've check and set unit to= 16-bit. > > > > > > However, unclear on if anything else from =22full range preset=22 n= eeds to be adjusted e.g. ' current gamma is 1=22 - should that not be 2.4= (which was my calibration target)=3F > > > > > > Googling shows people doing all sorts of thing. > > > > > > Stephen > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > =46rom: After Effects Mail List > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:56 PM > > > To: After Effects Mail List > > > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Major Ae project corruption - and how I fixed= it. > > > > > > Importing troublesome projects has saved me many times. > > > > > > > > > On 8/15/2018 12:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > > > > After working on this project for a week, my iStat menus are repo= rting that all 12 cores are at 100% when I just have Ae running and no co= mps even open. Computer is correspondingly very sluggish and beach-bally = (OSX). > > > > > > > > I deleted prefs and un- and re-installed Ae and it persisted. > > > > > > > > It only happens with one project that=E2=80=99s gotten pretty lar= ge - lots of tracking and 3D camera solves. Keyframes galore. Each save t= akes around 30 seconds. > > > > > > > > I think I fixed it. It was laborious: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have 10 comps in the corrupt Project. > > > > Select Comp 01, Reduce Project, Save As =E2=80=9CComp 01-100=E2=80= =9D (100 is for my > > > > CPUs pegging at 100%) Create New Project. > > > > Import Comp 01-100 - CPU levels go back to normal: what I expect = for an idling Ae Project. > > > > Save as =22Comp 01 only.=E2=80=9D > > > > > > > > Repeat process after opening original 10-com corrupt project for = all 10 Comps. > > > > > > > > I might import all 10 Comps into a master Project again, but only= after I start feeling lucky again. > > > > > > > > Posting this in case anybody else runs into a similar issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Epilog / PS. This didn=E2=80=99t work on one Comp. So, I opened t= he Comp. Select all Layers. Copy. Create New Project and Comp. Paste. Rel= ink footage. I got an error message telling my footage was tracked on a 3= 60 x 180 layer (=3F=3F=3F - Not true), but my tracking data was fine. I j= ust deleted the Mocha Pro plug-in that created the data, and all is well.= Save. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > To unsubscribe send any message to --5b748108_721da317_271 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Excellent=21 Hope you get good-looki= ng film outs=21 There are a lot of very old problems which I=E2=80=99m su= re will never be fixed
On Aug 15, 2018, 12:34 PM -0700, St= ephen van Vuuren <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>, wrote:

Just wanted to thank you again =E2=80=93 you a= re exactly right =E2=80=93 doing the AL and converter results in perfect = conversion back. Export render settings does not. My brain started to rec= all that issue when messing with it.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:49 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Urgent Cineon export questions

&=23160;

Or you were Linear Light. But that doesn=E2=80= =99t seem like the case.


Tim

On Aug 15, 2018, 11:47 AM -0700, Stephen van V= uuren <AE-List=40medi= a-motion.tv>, wrote:

PS. I don=E2=80=99t know if I have =E2=80=9Coverwhites= =E2=80=9D =E2=80=93 I don=E2=80=99t have any true clipping in the 16-bit = master, that would only apply if I were using floating point, correct=3F<= /p>

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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 2:35 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Urgent Cineon export questions

&=23160;

Stephen,

Gamma is meant to match your display target, so that the files look the s= ame on any display.

Black point should be 95, and the 90% white point to taste - 685 is spec,= but I usually went to 710 or so. Do you have over-whites you want to def= ine=3F

Yes, you should be going Lin to log.

BTW, check your settings by adding another AL with Cineon set to a interp= ret from log to Lin, display gamma whatever your display is set at, 95 an= d 685, as a print predictor.


Tim Sassoon
Sassoon =46ilm Design
350 Sunset Avenue
Suite =231
Venice, CA 90291

W 310.664.9115
M 310.266.8630

On Aug 15, 2018, 11:27 AM -0700, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>, wrote:

It's been years since I delivered log cineon file and sleep = deprived brain is not working. Client is asking for:

=22 DPX (Cineon) format, 10 bit color, P3-D65 color space=22

I confirmed they want log not linear. My project is 16-bit, I've set it t= o P3- D65 color space. Export will be CC 2014 (for speed). I assume Cineo= n export still does conversion linear to log since there is checkbox stil= l for =22logarithmic conversion=22 which I've check and set unit to 16-bi= t.

However, unclear on if anything else from =22full range preset=22 needs t= o be adjusted e.g. ' current gamma is 1=22 - should that not be 2.4 (whic= h was my calibration target)=3F

Googling shows people doing all sorts of thing.

Stephen

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=46rom: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 12:56 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D Major Ae project corruption - and how I fixed it.
Importing troublesome projects has saved me many times.


On 8/15/2018 12:25 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:

After working on this project for a week, my iStat men= us are reporting that all 12 cores are at 100% when I just have Ae runnin= g and no comps even open. Computer is correspondingly very sluggish and b= each-bally (OSX).

I deleted prefs and un- and re-installed Ae and it persisted.

It only happens with one project that=E2=80=99s gotten pretty large - lot= s of tracking and 3D camera solves. Keyframes galore. Each save takes aro= und 30 seconds.

I think I fixed it. It was laborious:


I have 10 comps in the corrupt Project.
Select Comp 01, Reduce Project, Save As =E2=80=9CComp 01-100=E2=80=9D (10= 0 is for my
CPUs pegging at 100%) Create New Project.
Import Comp 01-100 - CPU levels go back to normal: what I expect for an i= dling Ae Project.
Save as =22Comp 01 only.=E2=80=9D

Repeat process after opening original 10-com corrupt project for all 10 C= omps.

I might import all 10 Comps into a master Project again, but only after I= start feeling lucky again.

Posting this in case anybody else runs into a similar issue.



Epilog / PS. This didn=E2=80=99t work on one Comp. So, I opened the Comp.= Select all Layers. Copy. Create New Project and Comp. Paste. Relink foot= age. I got an error message telling my footage was tracked on a 360 x 180= layer (=3F=3F=3F - Not true), but my tracking data was fine. I just dele= ted the Mocha Pro plug-in that created the data, and all is well. Save.


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