From: "Jonathan" Received: from mtaout006-public.msg.strl.va.charter.net ([68.114.190.31] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7175944 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:19:53 +0200 Received: from impout006 ([68.114.189.21]) by mtaout006.msg.strl.va.charter.net (InterMail vM.9.00.023.01 201-2473-194) with ESMTP id <20181018213143.ULMP7358.mtaout006.msg.strl.va.charter.net@impout006> for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:31:43 -0500 Received: from [10.0.1.10] ([66.215.92.203]) by impout006 with charter.net id p9Xi1y00P4PFeh6019Xiqk; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 16:31:43 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=HdZkdmM8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=4PBmsvhb/PU6N22wr2wWDA==:117 a=4PBmsvhb/PU6N22wr2wWDA==:17 a=MB-Wcdv5uG_pcaQWk18A:9 a=sRON-BG4wzqN_A_9:21 a=GsRDlNywMY9BfEke:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=CxDx6tQ82FbGLtsS:21 a=nNHRTXFvKLl6vTQF:21 a=GlRXxZfm0F9GFMC4:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_ED9999DF-0714-4996-8FD8-DC7108CF849B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Uservoice feedback website - Top post - Full Program. Mutli-Threaded Support Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:31:39 -0700 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <48E686EC-BF26-47FE-8198-4307D51E5068@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) --Apple-Mail=_ED9999DF-0714-4996-8FD8-DC7108CF849B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks for explaining that, Stephen. In the work I do, faster renders is = first on my list. Jonathan=20 > On Oct 18, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: >=20 > > Um . . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If RenderGarden can do it =E2=80=93 = and I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 why can=E2=80=99t Adobe? > =20 > Render garden can=E2=80=99t do it =E2=80=93 I think people are quite = confused as to what it actually is and what it actually does. It can=E2=80= =99t make AE render faster, just make kicking off multiple renders = easier to manage. Those renders still run at the speed that version of = AE runs. > =20 > Rendergarden does support AE2014 but if you go back in AELIST archives = and look at my back and forth with them when the product was announced, = it does not really gain anything except ease of management there either. >=20 > Multi-threading AE would have huge speed benefit for every aspect of = AE =E2=80=93 including making Rendergarden faster. > =20 > Rendergarden is a workaround for the current problem that AE can=E2=80=99= t max out of machine right now but does not address this actual problem = at all in any form or fashion and you can do the same thing some command = line or other AE engine renders. > =20 > Stephen > From: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 4:29 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] Uservoice feedback website - Top post - Full = Program. Mutli-Threaded Support > =20 > Um . . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If RenderGarden can do it =E2=80=93 = and I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 why can=E2=80=99t Adobe? So = perhaps it=E2=80=99s not integrated as well as one might like, but you = don=E2=80=99t have to leave AE to use it and the result is seamless. It = runs in the background, uses as many cores as you like, can work across = machines, and can save huge amounts of time. > =20 > What am I missing? > =20 > =20 > Jonathan Penzner > Sundance/Realtime > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Mah > wrote: > =20 > Part of the rationale for going to a subscription model was that it = would loosen the rules publicly traded companies need to adhere to. You = can=E2=80=99t use that excuse any more, Adobe. > =20 > Break plugins? We can run a previous version in parallel, no? Sure = multi-threaded is tough, but I=E2=80=99d venture that 32-to-64 bit was = tougher. I=E2=80=99d gladly wait 2 yrs w/out new features if we knew = major core updates were coming. --Apple-Mail=_ED9999DF-0714-4996-8FD8-DC7108CF849B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Thanks for explaining that, Stephen. In the work I do, faster = renders is first on my list.

Jonathan 


On Oct 18, 2018, at 2:22 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

> Um . = . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If RenderGarden can do it =E2=80=93 and = I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 why can=E2=80=99t Adobe?
 
Render = garden can=E2=80=99t do it =E2=80=93 I think people are quite confused = as to what it actually is and what it actually does. It can=E2=80=99t = make AE render faster, just make kicking off multiple renders easier to = manage. Those renders still run at the speed that version of AE = runs.
 
Rendergarden does support AE2014 but if you go back in AELIST = archives and look at my back and forth with them when the product was = announced, it does not really gain anything except ease of management = there either.

Multi-threading AE would have huge speed = benefit for every aspect of AE =E2=80=93 including making Rendergarden = faster.
 
Rendergarden is a workaround for the current problem that AE = can=E2=80=99t max out of machine right now but does not address this = actual problem at all in any form or fashion and you can do the same = thing some command line or other AE engine renders.
 
Stephen
From: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 = 4:29 PM
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Uservoice feedback = website - Top post - Full Program. Mutli-Threaded Support
 
Um . . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If = RenderGarden can do it =E2=80=93 and I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 = why can=E2=80=99t Adobe? So perhaps it=E2=80=99s not integrated as well = as one might like, but you don=E2=80=99t have to leave AE to use it and = the result is seamless. It runs in the background, uses as many cores as = you like, can work across machines, and can save huge amounts of = time.
 
What am I missing?
 
 
Jonathan Penzner
Sundance/Realtime
 


On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Mah <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:
 
Part of the = rationale for going to a subscription model was that it would loosen the = rules publicly traded companies need to adhere to.  You can=E2=80=99t= use that excuse any more, Adobe.
 
Break plugins?  We = can run a previous version in parallel, no?  Sure multi-threaded is = tough, but I=E2=80=99d venture that 32-to-64 bit was tougher. =  I=E2=80=99d gladly wait 2 yrs w/out new features if we knew major = core updates were = coming.

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