From: "Jim Tierney" Received: from s483.sureserver.com ([192.252.146.33] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7175950 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 23:40:53 +0200 Received: (qmail 5364 invoked by uid 1003); 18 Oct 2018 21:52:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DESKTOPFO5EGTS) (jim@73.223.106.135) by s483.sureserver.com with ESMTPA; 18 Oct 2018 21:52:43 -0000 To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] Uservoice feedback website - Top post - Full Program. Mutli-Threaded Support Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:52:50 -0700 Message-ID: <23f101d4672c$eaef99e0$c0cecda0$@digitalanarchy.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_23F2_01D466F2.3E946B60" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGzOm6SqGv6WsK33MO5NgMDyHoHK6Vn2E2w Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_23F2_01D466F2.3E946B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 >> However, it would break every current plugin =20 Yeah, that happens periodically. It recently happened with Premiere. = However, you might not have noticed it because Adobe gave us lots of = warning and most third parties had updates ready. As long as host = developers don=E2=80=99t do this type of thing too often and give us = plenty of notice, it=E2=80=99s not a huge problem (although companies = with plugin bundles with 900 plugins might disagree). Among the many = problems of the FCP 7 -> X transition was that plugin developers were as = surprised by the release as everyone else. Zero communication from Apple = that anything was changing (they are better these days). Adobe has = always been pretty good about giving us fair warning of major API = changes. =20 =20 >> that it would loosen the rules publicly traded companies need to = adhere to. You can=E2=80=99t use that excuse any more, Adobe. =20 It loosened the rules about releasing new features and requiring there = be a paid upgrade. Announcing =E2=80=98Funding secured=E2=80=99 or some = cool feature and not following through with it, can still get companies = in trouble. Just ask the former chairman of Tesla. ;-) =20 =20 Cheers, Jim ------------------- Jim Tierney President Digital Anarchy =20 =20 =20 =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=20 Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:50 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Uservoice feedback website - Top post - Full Program. = Mutli-Threaded Support =20 You know RenderGarden is just a GUI wrapper for the AE native command = line rendering right? Adobe is already doing it. That's a very different = ask than threading everything in the app. And also, I would argue, why = waste resources on doing something that's already handled quite well by = a third party? People complain about the need for scripts and plugins = for AE but every single time I open the app I'm doing something = different, with a different workflow... I'm not sure I'd want a core app = that could do everything all the current scripts and plugins do, but = internally. It would be more unstable than Maya, which was essentially = its path of development. And impossible to support. From what I = understand the AE team is not very big as these things go. Do I think = there's room for speed improvement? Absolutely. Do I want another = re-write of the core to break an app I use every day in production, = again, for modest speed gains? Not really. -TG =20 On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:29 PM Jonathan = wrote: Um . . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If RenderGarden can do it =E2=80=93 and = I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 why can=E2=80=99t Adobe? So perhaps = it=E2=80=99s not integrated as well as one might like, but you = don=E2=80=99t have to leave AE to use it and the result is seamless. It = runs in the background, uses as many cores as you like, can work across = machines, and can save huge amounts of time. =20 What am I missing? =20 =20 Jonathan Penzner Sundance/Realtime =20 On Oct 18, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Mah wrote: =20 Part of the rationale for going to a subscription model was that it = would loosen the rules publicly traded companies need to adhere to. You = can=E2=80=99t use that excuse any more, Adobe. =20 Break plugins? We can run a previous version in parallel, no? Sure = multi-threaded is tough, but I=E2=80=99d venture that 32-to-64 bit was = tougher. I=E2=80=99d gladly wait 2 yrs w/out new features if we knew = major core updates were coming. =20 --=20 _____________________________ Teddy Gage President Shotgun Inc. 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX SHOTGUNPOST.COM BKLYN NY 11215 ------=_NextPart_000_23F2_01D466F2.3E946B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

>> However, it would break every current plugin

 

Yeah, that happens periodically. It recently happened with Premiere. = However, you might not have noticed it because Adobe gave us lots of = warning and most third parties had updates ready. As long as host = developers don=E2=80=99t do this type of thing too often and give us = plenty of notice, it=E2=80=99s not a huge problem (although companies = with plugin bundles with 900 plugins might disagree). Among the many = problems of the FCP 7 -> X transition was that plugin developers were = as surprised by the release as everyone else. Zero communication from = Apple that anything was changing (they are better these days). Adobe has = always been pretty good about giving us fair warning of major API = changes.

 

 

>> that it would loosen the rules publicly traded = companies need to adhere to.  You can=E2=80=99t use that excuse any = more, Adobe.

 

It loosened the rules about releasing new features and requiring = there be a paid upgrade. Announcing =E2=80=98Funding secured=E2=80=99 or = some cool feature and not following through with it, can still get = companies in trouble. Just ask the former chairman of Tesla. = ;-)

 

 

Cheers,

Jim

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Jim Tierney

President

Digital Anarchy

 

 

 

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] =
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 1:50 PM
To: After = Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Uservoice feedback website = - Top post - Full Program. Mutli-Threaded = Support

 

  = You know RenderGarden is just a GUI wrapper for the AE native command = line rendering right? Adobe is already doing it. That's a very different = ask than threading everything in the app. And also, I would argue, why = waste resources on doing something that's already handled quite well by = a third party? People complain about the need for scripts and plugins = for AE but every single time I open the app I'm doing something = different, with a different workflow... I'm not sure I'd want a core app = that could do everything all the current scripts and plugins do, but = internally. It would be more unstable than Maya, which was essentially = its path of development. And impossible to support. From what I = understand the AE team is not very big as these things go. Do I think = there's room for speed improvement? Absolutely. Do I want another = re-write of the core to break an app I use every day in production, = again, for modest speed gains? Not really.

-TG

 

On = Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:29 PM Jonathan <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

Um . . . I don=E2=80=99t get it. If RenderGarden can = do it =E2=80=93 and I=E2=80=99m a devoted fan =E2=80=93 why = can=E2=80=99t Adobe? So perhaps it=E2=80=99s not integrated as well as = one might like, but you don=E2=80=99t have to leave AE to use it and the = result is seamless. It runs in the background, uses as many cores as you = like, can work across machines, and can save huge amounts of = time.

 

What am I missing?

 

 

Jonathan Penzner

Sundance/Realtime

 



On = Oct 18, 2018, at 1:11 PM, Gordon Mah <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:

 

Part of = the rationale for going to a subscription model was that it would loosen = the rules publicly traded companies need to adhere to.  You = can=E2=80=99t use that excuse any more, = Adobe.

 = ;

Break = plugins?  We can run a previous version in parallel, no?  Sure = multi-threaded is tough, but I=E2=80=99d venture that 32-to-64 bit was = tougher.  I=E2=80=99d gladly wait 2 yrs w/out new features if we = knew major core updates were = coming.

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