From: "Robert Kjettrup" Received: from mail-lj1-f181.google.com ([209.85.208.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7178317 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 13:53:40 +0200 Received: by mail-lj1-f181.google.com with SMTP id j17-v6so1120485lja.1 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:05:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=jqAn3k/nO5e7sPCdNl2D6Tp3xUhEI8NbmjFfgUxCuLk=; b=QQ5fa4OeUMCu/58gOIXVdX5g/Za4wGbaPA4cq9FehraYtGN81mG/ORfq3klEGGDuyo In8Tp3taaidEiR5ksMG4CUc3oLhlTB+rPg4juw+h0F+CV6hJIPjzHepFTi72kdsea8qj WdF4QWgVwNuNH8mM1RUeU5ETSjx3aUdX+6XFYeCp7w8hmc1Kr46V7RD0TJ4gBjLWC//b rKr7rqvMFj+/0cNwVMSy+CeLQzencBmQ+qBfyI2M2CkjMYkzRrUaxWF32RbbJnj7r+Mo e6Cv85VTGuMeaI7yHyvSElrdvfZkbJFkn+cpjs4OtqqtOZ38/HSXyRsQUS2RdN10wWMv aghw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=jqAn3k/nO5e7sPCdNl2D6Tp3xUhEI8NbmjFfgUxCuLk=; b=Pnls2dXzglFyHLrMXdojVz9Son8ES+KGIVY+v8USY3dNxJGXsHI2rgSkehomziZiYG a+zISZ41Q2/zD2h67oAI0Nvw9VQNGoQ7e48TbziCRf8IET0CLBxAVNHVaTUbU9ZfiURt UkwzLmFRCA/YvovguuZBZOQnvACUA7POfTIMCcf2Jut8VjJ2CvB5HZ2WkuTKZ8JQuzcK kSUtUkFGg+IrHEBj0F2d/X5z4WPvxRh8pk560sNg698SmdiXBnazAjzdnUgSVP0Tzk4Z 2zf+Ohp+8o6BF0Epxf1OAJfW8MZtXitkNQfDWR7N14xU1K97Z4X7T9MTYre4ONUqju38 IDcQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogm+Y1W8jsr/SIkXo6VOua5lM3jqVgsRtuipmrvSV03iv/GGVbn cTZqsTR7WRL0QdMHdSWG6ufnXGLvLMkxlQBzVC/gkw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV6049gt7dhY6x715csLP8p9js/65B9I4lI6LqW3P7TW0hc4GJFzrkge/cIUfbD/wHlfRKov+lBx8gZk7bx0QS5Q= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:8703:: with SMTP id m3-v6mr31333950lji.109.1540296339964; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:05:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:05:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] PC->Mac Video Format Option To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003148c10578e43034" --0000000000003148c10578e43034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Teddy is right. DNxHD/HR 444 can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels in Resolve, also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when exchanging footage now. Adobe should step up and be the big player in this industry that they are, and solve this codec mess that is getting worse year by year. A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, support extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie format (image seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from still seq and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most Adobe image apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p) How hard could it be?... ... Utopia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getting better =F0=9F=98=80 man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage : > Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if you can, there are color space i= ssues > reading it in in premiere. Black levels can be interpreted incorrectly, > especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80=99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit = instead > solves these issues. > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk > wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> Ok, so I was right the first time. :) I should just start rendering >> using DNxHR. >> >> I am usually rendering from either AE or Premiere. >> >> Funny thing is, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (which i= t >> is not), I often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or so righ= t >> in AE anyway. >> >> Eric >> >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Robert Kjettrup >> wrote: >> >>> DNxHD should probably be considered a legacy codec by now. >>> if you work with Avid facilities it might be an issue if they are on an >>> older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR yet, and some Avids are kept at >>> very old versions for very long. >>> But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also way >>> easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prores= to >>> a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions. >>> most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so make >>> sure to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit >>> >>> >>> Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley < >>> AE-List@media-motion.tv>: >>> >>>> if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also better alpha ch on >>>> some versions of it >>>> >>>> S >>>> >>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Guess I simply haven't rendered using it. Will use it now. I presume >>>> this should be used over DNxHD? >>>> >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> DNxHR is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead. >>>>> >>>>> S >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Do you have a download link for this DNxHR? I have been using DNxHD >>>>> for several years. >>>>> >>>>> I found this link: >>>>> http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-QuickTime-Code= cs-LE >>>>> >>>>> This version: Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> DNxHD is limited to fixed HD res size images. feed it non HD size >>>>>> frames and they are scaled to fit the full raster. really ugly and s= tupid >>>>>> but that happens because it was a hardware based codec.=E2=80=99 >>>>>> >>>>>> DNxHR works with any res. >>>>>> >>>>>> they work fine on win, OS X. no playback problems, its basically >>>>>> avids ver of prores with similar data rates and generational perform= ance. >>>>>> >>>>>> I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a record format on atomos products with >>>>>> excellent results and moved media between PP / AE / Resolve with out >>>>>> concern or thought. >>>>>> >>>>>> S >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt < >>>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I work entirely on PC. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media >>>>>>>> Encoder does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC,= what is >>>>>>>> a format of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any= ) Mac >>>>>>>> person/editor would be able to accept as a delivery format? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTime >>>>>>>> on their Mac. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you ar= e >>>>>>>> a Mac editor what would be acceptable? >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good) >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Cheers >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Anders >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>> Teddy Gage >>>>>>> President >>>>>>> Shotgun Inc. >>>>>>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>>>>>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>>>>>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >>>>> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirk= eric >>>>> IMDB: >>>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >>>> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirke= ric >>>> IMDB: >>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >> kirkproductions@gmail.com >> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirkeri= c >> IMDB: >> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >> >> > -- > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 > > --0000000000003148c10578e43034 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes,=C2=A0 Teddy is right.
DNxHD/HR 444 = can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels in Resolve, = also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when exchanging = footage now.

Adobe shoul= d step up and be the big player in this industry that they are, and solve t= his codec mess that is getting worse year by year.=C2=A0
A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, = support extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie forma= t (image seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from = still seq and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most Ad= obe image apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p)

How hard could it be?...=C2=A0

...=C2=A0
Utop= ia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getting bette= r =F0=9F=98=80

m= an. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if = you can, there are color space issues reading it in in premiere. Black leve= ls can be interpreted incorrectly, especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80= =99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit instead solves these issues.=C2=A0

On Mon, Oct 22, 20= 18 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wro= te:
Robert,

Ok, so I was right the first time. :)=C2=A0 I shoul= d just start rendering using DNxHR.

I am usually r= endering from either AE or Premiere.

Funny thing i= s, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (which it is not), I oft= en find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or so right in AE anyway.

Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Rob= ert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHD should probably be conside= red a legacy codec by now.=C2=A0
if you work with Avid facilities it mi= ght be an issue if they are on an older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR y= et, and some Avids are kept at very old versions for very long.=C2=A0
=
But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also way= easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prores to= a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions.
most of= the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so make sure to us= e the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit

Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21= .41 skrev Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also bet= ter alpha ch on some versions of it

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <= AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks.

=
Guess I simply haven't rendered using it.=C2=A0 Will use it = now.=C2=A0 I presume this should be used over DNxHD?

Eric

On M= on, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHR is built into adobe apps,= resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead.

S


Do you have a download link for this DNxHR?=C2=A0 I have been= using DNxHD for several years.


This version:=C2=A0Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win

= Thanks
Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motio= n.tv> wrote:
DNxHD is limited to fixed= HD res size images. feed it non HD size frames and they are scaled to fit = the full raster. really ugly and stupid but that happens because it was a h= ardware based codec.=E2=80=99

DNxHR works with any res.<= /div>

they work fine on win, OS X. no playback problems,= its basically avids ver of prores with similar data rates and generational= performance.=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a= record format on atomos products with excellent results and moved media be= tween PP / AE / Resolve with out concern or thought.

S


=
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt <AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I work entirely on PC.
>
> If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Encod= er does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC, what is a for= mat of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any) Mac person/e= ditor would be able to accept as a delivery format?
>
> I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTime o= n their Mac.
>
> I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you are a Ma= c editor what would be acceptable?
>
> (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good)
>
> Cheers
>
> Anders


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