From: "Greg Balint" Received: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com ([209.85.219.175] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7178330 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 14:32:21 +0200 Received: by mail-yb1-f175.google.com with SMTP id j9-v6so475100ybj.6 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:44:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :user-agent; bh=TaTijvF94+9jUdh+n0bjnFWp/qCBXUoV75xxDvPFwe8=; b=cyybQV2WaoGcK+N5qsNIKKbdxk7hE0DHoYUS9NxZPIrg94T4jtlp+HhLJJOpceDBHD lVFlbl9ma0uB4VJ7EwIgoKokUJxtgyA05lEJnoF2oSObfBS8yZXV5eEM7dc40WPYrGno wrOoV5rrkjQVcHZYlX7QH2gTm8Kd/Zm9EGL+MUUY2WChYJaLe/erIGqwJkLG2Dkkmc4E B5RhMiuy4ukOOX/Zlb2y8Yuq5TJAULiuvH2EdAMP9mMwmJd9uSS0Dkc0Y3Jo7iUhXicS 888kC6mJkQxOrvEZEJfw5foYTz6LXsW8Z0XYRu31oJdF+7y+I21yZXCfTIoS8tpDW2Jh h7ng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:references:user-agent; bh=TaTijvF94+9jUdh+n0bjnFWp/qCBXUoV75xxDvPFwe8=; b=UcqGvoRa1vClcwemnujsPtval6tDMGOJMcjzWaFm3rZn15wVVaSyP9FxltKRvTrPrm WbBz/8F9tSYaBx1ErVgdMc0pfcFXrKWfhajIwWrE9Dg1pzl0dwoEiLHyrk7zrKh38MB1 okcwpT6dVph6WstX4EgNEOPgJK+YtvjG3fTBvG5fRSsVZV+hC4OxkYVpKcYh7uQHhFUX NGH0jy77EmySADlPkLJrXVAZIIbbRg0BtpSv4XGv71umPpZO7+wjLP1wG2KaYMOcUaNN oiPBL9Zt84QQhyPm3yGFsG6xLMSceyef3dK8jpdn8o8MwgKErLZFmW3DfS9GZO5baumi DGbw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohXQF8F/4IXMDLySt+dLPlg/vsK98Bgo8MZfOEc0u1hDQyI97KV aDTR5rTRM7sH431HXzq3el2TRKJ1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV623QBwo+5ULwlvvdbwFHCyofXeYnqXHQo2PvzIf5Hi7Fk1vbuYcYpiiUL07YNPx/8vShs59DA== X-Received: by 2002:a5b:94c:: with SMTP id x12-v6mr35966013ybq.208.1540298660360; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.9] (static-host-66-18-44-215.epbinternet.com. [66.18.44.215]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 200-v6sm272549ywq.97.2018.10.23.05.44.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_59604055.601518751649" MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] PC->Mac Video Format Option To: "Robert Kjettrup" In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Mailbird/2.5.20.0 X-Mailbird-ID: a525b6cf-06ea-48df-8900-4aebfe212074@getmailbird.com ------=_NextPart_59604055.601518751649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe someone should start an indiegogo campaign and... oh... wait... never= mind... ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com [http://www.delrazor.com/]/ On 10/23/2018 8:06:55 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: Yes, Teddy is right. DNxHD/HR 444 can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels in = Resolve, also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when ex= changing footage now. Adobe should step up and be the big player in this industry that they are, = and solve this codec mess that is getting worse year by year. A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, support e= xtra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie format (image = seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from still seq= and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most Adobe image= apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p) How hard could it be?... ... Utopia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getting b= etter =F0=9F=98=80 man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage : Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if you can, there are color space iss= ues reading it in in premiere. Black levels can be interpreted incorrectly,= especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80=99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit i= nstead solves these issues. On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: Robert, Ok, so I was right the first time. :) I should just start rendering using D= NxHR. I am usually rendering from either AE or Premiere. Funny thing is, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (which it i= s not), I often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or so right in= AE anyway. Eric On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Robert Kjettrup wrote: DNxHD should probably be considered a legacy codec by now. if you work with Avid facilities it might be an issue if they are on an old= er Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR yet, and some Avids are kept at very o= ld versions for very long. But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also way easi= er to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prores to a fe= w flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions. most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so make sur= e to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley : if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also better alpha ch on some= versions of it S On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: Thanks. Guess I simply haven't rendered using it. Will use it now. I presume this s= hould be used over DNxHD? Eric On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley wrote: DNxHR is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead. S On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: Do you have a download link for this DNxHR? I have been using DNxHD for sev= eral years. I found this link: http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-Q= uickTime-Codecs-LE [http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-= QuickTime-Codecs-LE] This version: Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win [http://cdn.avid.com/Codecs/LE/2.7.3/0B94= 47EC/CodecsLE_2.7.3_Win.zip] Thanks Eric On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley wrote: DNxHD is limited to fixed HD res size images. feed it non HD size frames an= d they are scaled to fit the full raster. really ugly and stupid but that h= appens because it was a hardware based codec.=E2=80=99 DNxHR works with any res. they work fine on win, OS X. no playback problems, its basically avids ver = of prores with similar data rates and generational performance. I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a record format on atomos products with excell= ent results and moved media between PP / AE / Resolve with out concern or t= hought. S > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt wrote: > Hi, > > I work entirely on PC. > > If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Encoder = does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC, what is a format= of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any) Mac person/edit= or would be able to accept as a delivery format? > > I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTime on their= Mac. > > I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you are a Mac e= ditor what would be acceptable? > > (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good) > > Cheers > > Anders +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to -- _____________________________ Teddy Gage President Shotgun Inc. 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX SHOTGUNPOST.COM [http://shotgunpost.com/] BKLYN NY 11215 -- Eric D. 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Maybe someone should start an indie= gogo campaign and... oh... wait... nevermind...

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/32= 1.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/

On 1= 0/23/2018 8:06:55 AM, Robert Kjettrup <ae-list@media-motion.tv> wrote= :

Yes,=C2=A0 Teddy is right.
DNxHD/HR= 444 can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels in Reso= lve, also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when exchan= ging footage now.

Adobe = should step up and be the big player in this industry that they are, and so= lve this codec mess that is getting worse year by year.=C2=A0
A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12= bit, support extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie = format (image seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies = from still seq and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for mo= st Adobe image apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p)

How hard could it be?...=C2=A0

...=C2=A0
U= topia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getting be= tter =F0=9F=98=80

man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 = if you can, there are color space issues reading it in in premiere. Black l= evels can be interpreted incorrectly, especially with Resolve exports. I=E2= =80=99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit instead solves these issues.=C2=A0

On Mon, Oct 22,= 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> = wrote:
Robert= ,

Ok, so I was right the first time. :)=C2=A0 I sh= ould just start rendering using DNxHR.

I am usuall= y rendering from either AE or Premiere.

Funny thin= g is, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (which it is not), I = often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or so right in AE anyway= .

Eric

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM = Robert Kjettrup <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHD should probably be cons= idered a legacy codec by now.=C2=A0
if you work with Avid facilities it= might be an issue if they are on an older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxH= R yet, and some Avids are kept at very old versions for very long.=C2=A0
But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also = way easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prores= to a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions.
most= of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so make sure to= use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit


Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl.= 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also = better alpha ch on some versions of it

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk &= lt;AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks.
<= br>
Guess I simply haven't rendered using it.=C2=A0 Will use = it now.=C2=A0 I presume this should be used over DNxHD?

Eric

O= n Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.t= v> wrote:
DNxHR is built into adobe ap= ps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead.

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <= ;AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Do you have a download link for this DNxHR?=C2=A0 I have b= een using DNxHD for several years.

This version:=C2=A0Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win

<= /div>
Thanks
Eric<= strike>

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHD is limite= d to fixed HD res size images. feed it non HD size frames and they are scal= ed to fit the full raster. really ugly and stupid but that happens because = it was a hardware based codec.=E2=80=99

DNxHR works with= any res.

they work fine on win, OS X. no playback= problems, its basically avids ver of prores with similar data rates and ge= nerational performance.=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99ve used it= also as a record format on atomos products with excellent results and move= d media between PP / AE / Resolve with out concern or thought.
S


=
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt <AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I work entirely on PC.
>
> If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Encod= er does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC, what is a for= mat of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any) Mac person/e= ditor would be able to accept as a delivery format?
>
> I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTime o= n their Mac.
>
> I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you are a Ma= c editor what would be acceptable?
>
> (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good)
>
> Cheers
>
> Anders


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