From: "Byron Nash" Received: from mail-qt1-f170.google.com ([209.85.160.170] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7178329 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:08:49 +0200 Received: by mail-qt1-f170.google.com with SMTP id q40-v6so1661665qte.0 for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:20:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=R4L1+qo+cfvWUsyMmiUjK92m9T0JKPUlT46VcBysp2Y=; b=GtW6cE3qxHCHsYGe+w5oxvkRrLAoFYd8N1XjEv74MVytMSOK3JOW1EAIe4XdbXYsOd HWMXov7c53ceyNJk5PP6iatnm4GapS2wlYfD5Xph2ZNG9w+q3Rg2m795EK/K0IaSfpgx dS54wpE7GN0UGWNLRIaxoi9UjD9VBwqlopTXcUCDvBkVGJzBdpEOPX7RKCO0HQuK2UET zVJ/86ek3gLhGCP6XXIqTXILHqhhpvMXFhOc5PulEYtEhadTKwcRIXw3QujSIvWTDP4N DW2UkBAMROpsyZ4A0l9FVB/9Q2u8h8LuoFB429wqCLCAjwGklPZNRSs3n2HpcblvwqAK +56A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=R4L1+qo+cfvWUsyMmiUjK92m9T0JKPUlT46VcBysp2Y=; b=eNxjox5b1ohCAJKoLcGaFsLk3UxogO6UUoC/g9pe3Rncxy4P7a7c2Nwf3uHZzbWbyG l6BILbRdAk5OLYNmZdiNZpUZRm1uB/DJpJ37yQS5Cd0kqb9FUqRIc7mQRhPvY/tCZB2U dIQ83US5H0pywhnyPeliyfxFQbwUF6URpwr3Y24ZUvXHM8NBkpLOAIkmsnmnuE1hUdo6 WdpYlS10hWrNYK+Eif/7g3T1irQwnPUckIgB7zMemCf62IBIgmGyypaL44hGOQXWB7dc WeDUKMHqvoeIP40kCGGPJw6pvCwkRSgTCiAzimCaw70ZZkbDMxs0FU8z8OhoH/DxFtKp eo5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLFUC6HCDcX0HJ82m/iXq0ChTGPDyIdovdnCaAa0s2sLqtSlXI9 JQUi/zOQq0oLell1FEkm+1LaRP6tXhOEKO9ADBru9g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fbI9aPnxgmwGbQ5HbChQ661O9PeXkVtz8SogW4D9dtLEW56VuXaf6wylJ0r1mkxDwFPe2Tc7ai34Nu4N5xdT0= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b288:: with SMTP id r8mr5340802qve.131.1540304435295; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 07:20:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 10:20:23 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] PC->Mac Video Format Option To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b646a90578e612fc" --000000000000b646a90578e612fc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let's hope MOX will get going again soon. On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:45 AM Greg Balint wrote= : > Maybe someone should start an indiegogo campaign and... oh... wait... > nevermind... > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 <(321)%20514-4839> > delRAZOR.com / > > On 10/23/2018 8:06:55 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote= : > Yes, Teddy is right. > DNxHD/HR 444 can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels i= n > Resolve, also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when > exchanging footage now. > > Adobe should step up and be the big player in this industry that they are= , > and solve this codec mess that is getting worse year by year. > A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, support > extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie format (ima= ge > seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from still s= eq > and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most Adobe imag= e > apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p) > > How hard could it be?... > > ... > Utopia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getting > better =F0=9F=98=80 > > man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage : > >> Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if you can, there are color space = issues >> reading it in in premiere. Black levels can be interpreted incorrectly, >> especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80=99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit= instead >> solves these issues. >> >> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk >> wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> >>> Ok, so I was right the first time. :) I should just start rendering >>> using DNxHR. >>> >>> I am usually rendering from either AE or Premiere. >>> >>> Funny thing is, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (which >>> it is not), I often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or so >>> right in AE anyway. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Robert Kjettrup >>> wrote: >>> >>>> DNxHD should probably be considered a legacy codec by now. >>>> if you work with Avid facilities it might be an issue if they are on a= n >>>> older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR yet, and some Avids are kept a= t >>>> very old versions for very long. >>>> But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also way >>>> easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prore= s to >>>> a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions. >>>> most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so mak= e >>>> sure to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit >>>> >>>> >>>> Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley < >>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv>: >>>> >>>>> if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also better alpha ch o= n >>>>> some versions of it >>>>> >>>>> S >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Guess I simply haven't rendered using it. Will use it now. I presum= e >>>>> this should be used over DNxHD? >>>>> >>>>> Eric >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> DNxHR is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead. >>>>>> >>>>>> S >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk < >>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you have a download link for this DNxHR? I have been using DNxHD >>>>>> for several years. >>>>>> >>>>>> I found this link: >>>>>> http://avid.force.com/pkb/articles/en_US/download/Avid-QuickTime-Cod= ecs-LE >>>>>> >>>>>> This version: Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley < >>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> DNxHD is limited to fixed HD res size images. feed it non HD size >>>>>>> frames and they are scaled to fit the full raster. really ugly and = stupid >>>>>>> but that happens because it was a hardware based codec.=E2=80=99 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> DNxHR works with any res. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> they work fine on win, OS X. no playback problems, its basically >>>>>>> avids ver of prores with similar data rates and generational perfor= mance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a record format on atomos products wit= h >>>>>>> excellent results and moved media between PP / AE / Resolve with ou= t >>>>>>> concern or thought. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> S >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt < >>>>>>>>> AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Hi, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I work entirely on PC. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Medi= a >>>>>>>>> Encoder does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC= , what is >>>>>>>>> a format of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (an= y) Mac >>>>>>>>> person/editor would be able to accept as a delivery format? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTim= e >>>>>>>>> on their Mac. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you >>>>>>>>> are a Mac editor what would be acceptable? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good) >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Cheers >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Anders >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> _____________________________ >>>>>>>> Teddy Gage >>>>>>>> President >>>>>>>> Shotgun Inc. >>>>>>>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>>>>>>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>>>>>>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >>>>>> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >>>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kir= keric >>>>>> IMDB: >>>>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >>>>> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >>>>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>>>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirk= eric >>>>> IMDB: >>>>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> *Eric D. Kirk | Kirk ProductionsVFX for Kirk >>> Productions443.206.1347www.kirkproductions.com >>> kirkproductions@gmail.com >>> YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/kirker= ic >>> IMDB: >>> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3351363/ * >>> >>> >> -- >> _____________________________ >> Teddy Gage >> President >> Shotgun Inc. >> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >> BKLYN NY 11215 >> >> --000000000000b646a90578e612fc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let's hope MOX will get going again soon.

On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 8:45 AM Gr= eg Balint <AE-List@media-moti= on.tv> wrote:
Maybe someone should start an indie= gogo campaign and... oh... wait... nevermind...

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
= /= 321.514.4839
= delRAZOR= .com/

On 10/23= /2018 8:06:55 AM, Robert Kjettrup <ae-list@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Yes,=C2=A0 Teddy is right.
DNxHD/HR 444 can'= t be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels in Resolve, also one= of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 when exchanging footage = now.

Adobe should step u= p and be the big player in this industry that they are, and solve this code= c mess that is getting worse year by year.=C2=A0
A c= ross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, support = extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie format (image= seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from still se= q and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most Adobe imag= e apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p)

How hard could it be?...=C2=A0
=
...=C2=A0
Utopia, I know= .... But one can dream of a future with some things getting better =F0=9F= =98=80

man. 22. = okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:
Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxH= R 4444 if you can, there are color space issues reading it in in premiere. = Black levels can be interpreted incorrectly, especially with Resolve export= s. I=E2=80=99ve found exporting HQX 10 bit instead solves these issues.=C2= =A0

On Mon,= Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:





DNxHD should probabl= y be considered a legacy codec by now.=C2=A0
if you work with Avid faci= lities it might be an issue if they are on an older Avid MC that doesnt sup= port DNxHR yet, and some Avids are kept at very old versions for very long.= =C2=A0
But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, = its also way easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it = as Prores to a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions.
=
most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so mak= e sure to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit


Den man. 22. okt.= 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv>= :
if you need to deliver non-HD res images, y= es. also better alpha ch on some versions of it

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric = D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks.

Guess I simply haven't r= endered using it.=C2=A0 Will use it now.=C2=A0 I presume this should be use= d over DNxHD?

Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oak= ley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHR is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead.
=
S

On Oct 22, 2018= , at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:

D= o you have a download link for this DNxHR?=C2=A0 I have been using DNxHD fo= r several years.


This= version:=C2=A0Codecs LE_2.7.3_Win

Thanks<= /div>
Eric<= br>

On Mon= , Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:


S


>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt <AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I work entirely on PC.
>
> If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Encod= er does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC, what is a for= mat of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any) Mac person/e= ditor would be able to accept as a delivery format?
>
> I tried for example GoPro CineForm but doesn't open in QuickTime o= n their Mac.
>
> I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you are a Ma= c editor what would be acceptable?
>
> (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good)
>
> Cheers
>
> Anders


+---End of message---+
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President
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