From: "Timothy Sassoon" Received: from mail-pf1-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7180730 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 19:23:59 +0200 Received: by mail-pf1-f172.google.com with SMTP id j23-v6so2041041pfi.4 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 10:36:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version; bh=QXBDO9jTXV/7lpBdy67L8oDuXqGcRAixsZhb+/WhTBU=; b=EcjMgrgO7vq7OZ5IXyUnEog4Ejcr1cfxiUajJfkaOmftWbedq3Z0+ywRNfqcUtd0np Io2ThNoX/vfFjqgdwrlG6ZVUy/dGEFzwJ8TCqEYo+X93vsU/qAZxtfei5iPxRO4N1cun CD8OrOPK7DxzmPBY+A7MMCO228ZvnxyqbVt7g+mUg7G2D2W3QDa020O49LEhlHuKUFvA 9YCHbGVvaRezQNjlhJWf79Z59x9dUiritBU2fabv0vucD9fOzhLro+7esWE6KkN1ic/D kHhvVYCbDqAo1PhXI7kzNzxuxbuisk9ZhZLlsYaoJiRRJfFL2IUG0lUS9p41ixVvp6aR ftDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version; bh=QXBDO9jTXV/7lpBdy67L8oDuXqGcRAixsZhb+/WhTBU=; b=HSb5x02dRuDPG5XZK17iSCzgKH01o3DfNK2+LwRqS4Z43aSKzbOzmg3e1HlsZE/46s WXZ+kFS6RHUja9MHSRT1OVCUOE2c8NxeDoJW3McQNzhGuceILjL80ToGjpIDwN/MRYaR EzxLKXUE9cjYWytcl8Ax6FdAq5Ho9d81iVdsx/jytrbVyME1u5FqGajWshTPT0mBIXpn qpMkhBJUdHHSdWK+kP0vtd9Nzbnb3brow3t3dNOKhjy+ieB9YrUohRhukgG0CLhqW6ZR XUoMvZj66GwkwI90JdEnkM8Xhd8EhI6zPcR6zTZebBvFzT3EgSeTsckJBezV442NrAc9 F62g== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLubzWN1cSbZEA6C3BVKxm+J6FhX0oP0cEkIsAydEZVRp8PPJQj ZVQGzmAL7+ecm11p+6YN4eOEBblzqug= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5f/xGnu0HRZWs9nlMdSs9XGCDPwjOqrdec9G7vxWM868Slc2uyib12znlvaZzqhsX5JpI5jHg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:fd58:: with SMTP id m24-v6mr7874741pgj.132.1540661766486; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 10:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.117] (cpe-104-175-177-201.socal.res.rr.com. [104.175.177.201]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y7-v6sm15862806pfl.57.2018.10.27.10.36.05 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 27 Oct 2018 10:36:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 10:35:47 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <2dd68a06-eda6-44b9-8616-d6a5e4ddf89e@Spark> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] PC->Mac Video Format Option X-Readdle-Message-ID: 2dd68a06-eda6-44b9-8616-d6a5e4ddf89e@Spark MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="5bd4a203_327b23c6_c37" --5bd4a203_327b23c6_c37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This is along with CC Linux, right=3F Tim Sassoon S=46D Venice, CA On Oct 23, 2018, 5:06 AM -0700, Robert Kjettrup , wrote: > Yes,=C2=A0 Teddy is right. > DNxHD/HR 444 can't be trusted to be read with correct video/data levels= in Resolve, also one of the reasons I mostly use AfterCodecs Prores444 w= hen exchanging footage now. > > Adobe should step up and be the big player in this industry that they a= re, and solve this codec mess that is getting worse year by year. > A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediate codec, 10-12bit, suppo= rt extra channels like alpha, both be a still format and a movie format (= image seq and movie) and be able to nondestructive assemble movies from s= till seq and vice versa. Open source and be the default format for most A= dobe image apps (ps should probably stick to psd :-p) > > How hard could it be=3F... > > ... > Utopia, I know.... But one can dream of a future with some things getti= ng better =F0=9F=98=80 > > > man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage = : > > > Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if you can, there are color s= pace issues reading it in in premiere. Black levels can be interpreted in= correctly, especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80=99ve found exporting = HQX 10 bit instead solves these issues. > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: > > > > > Robert, > > > > > > > > > > Ok, so I was right the first time. :)=C2=A0 I should just start= rendering using DNxHR. > > > > > > > > > > I am usually rendering from either AE or Premiere. > > > > > > > > > > =46unny thing is, as many times as people say AE is not an edit= or (which it is not), I often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or les= s or so right in AE anyway. > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Robert Kjettrup wrote: > > > > > > > DNxHD should probably be considered a legacy codec by now. > > > > > > > if you work with Avid facilities it might be an issue if th= ey are on an older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR yet, and some Avids = are kept at very old versions for very long. > > > > > > > But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, i= ts also way easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it= as Prores to a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions. > > > > > > > most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy is= sue) so make sure to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley : > > > > > > > > > if you need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also bet= ter alpha ch on some versions of it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guess I simply haven't rendered using it.=C2=A0 Will = use it now.=C2=A0 I presume this should be used over DNxHD=3F > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > DNxHR is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion.= QT32 is dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk = wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you have a download link for this DNxHR=3F=C2= =A0 I have been using DNxHD for several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I found this link:=C2=A0http://avid.force.com/p= kb/articles/en=5FUS/download/Avid-QuickTime-Codecs-LE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This version:=C2=A0Codecs LE=5F2.7.3=5FWin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley= wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DNxHD is limited to fixed HD res size image= s. feed it non HD size frames and they are scaled to fit the full raster.= really ugly and stupid but that happens because it was a hardware based = codec.=E2=80=99 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DNxHR works with any res. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they work fine on win, OS X. no playback pr= oblems, its basically avids ver of prores with similar data rates and gen= erational performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a record forma= t on atomos products with excellent results and moved media between PP / = AE / Resolve with out concern or thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM A= nders Sundstedt wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I work entirely on PC. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I received QuickTime ProRes = 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Encoder does not export to ProRes 4444 = at least not in Windows/PC, what is a format of equal quality and smaller= that uncompressed, that (any) Mac person/editor would be able to accept = as a delivery format=3F > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I tried for example GoPro Cine=46= orm but doesn't open in QuickTime on their Mac. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I asked them what they can acce= pt but in the meantime, if you are a Mac editor what would be acceptable=3F= > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are= huge so not good) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anders > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe send any message t= o > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Teddy Gage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > President > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shotgun Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 360 VR =7C MOGRAPH =7C V=46X > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BKLYN NY 11215 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric D. 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This is along with CC Linux, right=3F=

Tim Sassoon
S=46D
Venice, CA
On Oct 23, 2018, 5:06 AM -0700, Rob= ert Kjettrup <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>, wrote:
Yes,&=23160; Teddy is right.
DNxHD/HR 444 can't be trusted to be read with corre= ct video/data levels in Resolve, also one of the reasons I mostly use Aft= erCodecs Prores444 when exchanging footage now.

Adobe should step up and be the big player in this = industry that they are, and solve this codec mess that is getting worse y= ear by year.&=23160;
A cross platform (win, Mac & Linux) intermediat= e codec, 10-12bit, support extra channels like alpha, both be a still for= mat and a movie format (image seq and movie) and be able to nondestructiv= e assemble movies from still seq and vice versa. Open source and be the d= efault format for most Adobe image apps (ps should probably stick to psd = :-p)

How hard could it be=3F...&=23160;

...&=23160;
Utopia, I know.... But one can dream of a future wi= th some things getting better =F0=9F=98=80

man. 22. okt. 2018 23.33 skrev Teddy Gage <AE-List=40media-motion.tv&= gt;:
Actually I=E2=80=99d avoid DNxHR 4444 if you can, t= here are color space issues reading it in in premiere. Black levels can b= e interpreted incorrectly, especially with Resolve exports. I=E2=80=99ve = found exporting HQX 10 bit instead solves these issues.&=23160;

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:59 PM Mr. Eric D. Kirk <= ;AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:
Robert,

Ok, so I was right the first time. :)&=23160; I should just start re= ndering using DNxHR.

I am usually rendering from either AE or Premiere.

=46unny thing is, as many times as people say AE is not an editor (w= hich it is not), I often find myself doing anything 2 minutes or less or = so right in AE anyway.

Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 3:54 PM Robert Kjettrup <= AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxHD should probably be considered a legacy codec b= y now.&=23160;
if you work with Avid facilities it might be an issue if they are on= an older Avid MC that doesnt support DNxHR yet, and some Avids are kept = at very old versions for very long.&=23160;
But it should normally be a non-issue and just use DNxHR, its also w= ay easier to figure out what setting to use since Avid reduce it as Prore= s to a few flavors and not keep the framerate and dimensions.
most of the flavour are 8bit though (another Avid legacy issue) so m= ake sure to use the HQX or 444 versions that are 10 or 12bit


Den man. 22. okt. 2018 kl. 21.41 skrev Steve Oakley = <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>:
=
if y= ou need to deliver non-HD res images, yes. also better alpha ch on some v= ersions of it

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks.

Guess I simply haven't rendered using it.&=23160; Will use it now.&=23= 160; I presume this should be used over DNxHD=3F

Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 1:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:
DNxH= R is built into adobe apps, resolve / fusion. QT32 is dead.

S

On Oct 22, 2018, at 12:29 PM, Mr. Eric D. Kirk <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:

Do you have a download link for this DNxHR=3F&=23160; I have been us= ing DNxHD for several years.


This version:&=23160;Codecs LE=5F2.7.3=5FWin

Thanks
Eric

On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 12:33 PM Steve Oakley <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:
=
DNxH= D is limited to fixed HD res size images. feed it non HD size frames and = they are scaled to fit the full raster. really ugly and stupid but that h= appens because it was a hardware based codec.=E2=80=99

DNxHR works with any res.

they work fine on win, OS X. no playback problems, its basically avi= ds ver of prores with similar data rates and generational performance.&=23= 160;

I=E2=80=99ve used it also as a record format on atomos products with= excellent results and moved media between PP / AE / Resolve with out con= cern or thought.

S


>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2018, 7:08 AM Anders Sundstedt <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I work entirely on PC.
>
> If I received QuickTime ProRes 4444 mov files, since Adobe Media Enc= oder does not export to ProRes 4444 at least not in Windows/PC, what is a= format of equal quality and smaller that uncompressed, that (any) Mac pe= rson/editor would be able to accept as a delivery format=3F
>
> I tried for example GoPro Cine=46orm but doesn't open in QuickTime o= n their Mac.
>
> I asked them what they can accept but in the meantime, if you are a = Mac editor what would be acceptable=3F
>
> (uncompressed MOV QuickTime are huge so not good)
>
> Cheers
>
> Anders


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