From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic302-10.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.135.49] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7199499 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:14:54 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1543606091; bh=eFHr8OYbTg4u1jeFyOEYexZnaVhU+R2q9TAwLLdT2HE=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=An+ncvIXIDpChKpnhbbm+FwyZDUJrlZ9JJIaxX3z1wa52Ol9kfgKpuX6M2fJiWDGWwdtPsrjUWrTwKYtMlTbsy10b5dyWZaclCrR2VdALVEn3E0i4Ng9bmJebayVXkqw7r9O+gzfeLh6zLFjXfEMdAQVEH3ZCn+O/pnz6BJoDzdDIh2YGbY75CLDBhAj3TwYhlDoT+c0ZdCVeNAaM6Ba6c3G9jIy5wK01K1b9jVl0McJS0Fsw4WZMVuzbyfPqkzP61mXuvRoJf7Y/lduXHFDrmphYv8+arj+ftAF3QaiNxuST7zMn6j2AG0uxho349U7KTRy7PdC4ju/y7vTPsj6AQ== X-YMail-OSG: tZJbADwVM1mQUplIA25ZDkPWsE6D7MLTSbVCT3a80r_K72Xffa9lYIU_ifbIGnu eloMzluH5rZMTJeLv9jrVBZXn3v_dQ_zoLbqaYkoxkm__auMAVOYvWLDG4A3h4RUvcE7K3jQB4D3 Pm3vy778sHPJeG.oJCxi._7qqCG6oNwsxGkF3nw.fCff3rsUw0zreLGhAhE4NwjWr0g0.ROVmUv9 YKqkqQ1MiIjf3tsE2w.F0wjULdKe0zCi1.xYCUlaAOOx4wd486P8eA97cd8O6bcfl57MGegLRpQU K3jyOVoFZulmauM8ruPBaC2Nd5Pd5fZbI10G8JW._rNEFYfePrHgKVZhR8icUHfngnNdzgoVR.L0 EY.1SuO0e7duKuuOpP0BKqlffz6QqhA_knLRAnoJgJ73o7IAG4GrmGBBxWWk0vXtncwjBs8Y8bXp bc5z0MRWVL09A892OCtwJM6PD.PeiPtjDnjh78Q9OhnzpIubBBEQDEaa10tPJL5hz.QHGp_TKfJM jXNcZQ1uhgOjpUyPr3RieZV.pQTUh447aOX_Z1PSA34Bnuzvl7YvCgvWilMsgnY3jV7lA.B9vc5e xw5aDnzhbEqmxlV0otIVjzorIVVchgQC4L2.HB6FhO.Zuixmxsq846BvBV.CW6q3XH1iUBNY.Hm1 yNbx.J7Ok9.4cRs0SBwRn_gnSSlolRdJR3uEzGWQwhAWy0Z.mYs83UrNG.F5SoOEccZsAwpIJUzY 0juMDM80mGkvKQzBO27tosl_qtvbNyah5webAu9I58wYBv3H2bYrRkifAKTZrXehv43Vxmsy_vIN us0_C2ZhE07HBcACYpkFbY_m0EBfOdyMFAeL9eTi3eFYXjvT.QSF1wyNcOHmkMTTJOa7mKdweHsl dcM.uthsCT.1eWZ1RUsbSzeFPZlUzWst9N7jZiixYMEPWI4r5DktlTeYc46PureQTF4yJsdoEBE5 4WlxBBlnHQpoyi4RFTwPvAdwMlM7urhAqroCan0W0YF5ycGmyoRvPdAt3QL9RRFfNyBjAipYfUHQ Avy81GJlOKjWcPcPxfjrH9v248hdxyPNSWCysQJaMAmEAhTaI7DZPEO9KWv.Z6m3iOJ7HGsv8aus DHr8sUIwTZ0iP Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:28:11 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp414.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID b48cbc1c09e92d39cf3de7c698366dc5 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2018 19:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_57B3A6A3-89FB-4047-B860-5589797F1D95" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] reluctant to commit to CC 2019 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 13:28:05 -0600 References: To: After Effects List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_57B3A6A3-89FB-4047-B860-5589797F1D95 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ross, I was tempted to take advantage of Black Friday and buy a year = subscription to your Pro plug-in, but I noticed that Boris jacked up the = price from $199 from the last time I looked (around two months ago) to = $295. So, now your =E2=80=9Cdiscount=E2=80=9D is even higher than if = I=E2=80=99d gotten a subscription back then. You guys might consider monthly subscriptions. As a generalist in post, = I don=E2=80=99t have a need for what MP does all the time; just = occasionally. The perpetual license is too steep for somebody like me. = Even if I bought an annual subscription, the plug would go unused for a = vast majority of hours using Ae and Pr. I do a variety of work, but = about half is interviews + b-roll. One client has me removing all logos = that aren=E2=80=99t theirs. Mocha for Ae works fine for that, and even = Ae and Pr animated masks do, too. I demoed the MP plug-back when I had a need for 3D camera solving, and = because of the way my client's footage was shot, I got just as good = results with the Ae Solver as yours. I think my best bet is to wait = until I have a need that only MP can solve, and then bite the bullet on = an annual subscription - sale or not, and hope that one project pays for = it. But, I appreciate the head=E2=80=99s up on the sale deadline. =20 > On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Ross Shain = wrote: >=20 > Hey Jim,=20 > I can not answer your Adobe questions... but just wanted you and = others to know that the Mocha Pro 2019 plug-in will work with older = versions of AE (and Premiere back to CC 2014. Most know that Mocha Pro = adds some cool features not found in Mocha AE. Mocha Pro annual sale = ends tonight at midnight.=20 >=20 > Compare Mocha Pro to Mocha AE: = https://borisfx.com/products/mocha-pro/#compare = >=20 > Sale info: = https://borisfx.com/news/black-friday-2018-up-to-50-off-all-products/ = >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Jim Curtis > wrote: > Sorry for the long post. If you=E2=80=99re busy, just ignore this. = Part of it is griping. >=20 > I wonder how many others here are in the same boat. =20 >=20 > My favorite feature of Ae CC 2019, and the ONLY new feature that = interests me is the Mocha Plug-in. I=E2=80=99ve been using Ae 2019 just = for that one feature, but doing everything else in CC 2018. Pr has one = new feature only I=E2=80=99m interested in, and that=E2=80=99s the = enhanced Lumetri Color effect. The enhanced Puppet Tool may come in = handy at some point. Otherwise, meh. >=20 > I use Pr as much as Ae. If I want to use Dynamic Link, I have to use = the same versions. IOW, I can=E2=80=99t use Ae 2018 with Pr 2019, and = expect DL to work. I can=E2=80=99t even copy clips in Pr and paste them = in Ae if the versions don=E2=80=99t match. >=20 > I made a mistake by testing Pr 2019 for one =E2=80=9Csmall=E2=80=9D = project for one client for whom I=E2=80=99d done about ten videos in Pr = 2018. It worked OK, but there are still some bugs that make me = reluctant to commit to all of CC 2019. Honestly, I can=E2=80=99t = remember what they were other than Pr taking an extremely long time to = launch before getting to the Open dialog. >=20 > So, I got a new project that requires me to use footage from my = previous ten projects. I started it in Pr 2018. Everything was fine = except when I needed to access footage in that Pr 2019 project. Not a = show stopper. I just had to launch the Pr 2019 project, and do an XML = export of my master Sequence and b-roll and interview select Sequences, = and then import that into Pr 2018, losing all the animated masking I did = in Pr 2019 (quite a bit). I was pleased to see some of my Lumetri Color = effects were retained. =20 >=20 > I wish Adobe would figure out how to Save As... a previous version in = Pr as they have for Ae, or allow us to import Sequences from a later = version of Pr, or use Dynamic Link between different versions. Alas. >=20 > Anyway=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m posting to ask if anybody else has = committed to CC 2019 and having good success with both Pr and Ae. If = you=E2=80=99re experiencing issues, what are they? Are there = workarounds? =20 >=20 > My biggest fear is encountering a job-killing bug that will inhibit = timely delivery of a paying project (see link below).=20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99m on Mac High Sierra with a Nvidia Titan GPU. >=20 > Jim C. >=20 >=20 > Posts like this aren=E2=80=99t encouraging: >=20 > https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2556384 = >=20 >=20 > . >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Ross Shain > Chief Product Officer: Mocha > +1.646.298.6458 | borisfx.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_57B3A6A3-89FB-4047-B860-5589797F1D95 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ross,= I was tempted to take advantage of Black Friday and buy a year = subscription to your Pro plug-in, but I noticed that Boris jacked up the = price from $199 from the last time I looked (around two months ago) to = $295.  So, now your =E2=80=9Cdiscount=E2=80=9D is even higher than = if I=E2=80=99d gotten a subscription back then.

You guys might consider monthly = subscriptions.  As a generalist in post, I don=E2=80=99t have a = need for what MP does all the time; just occasionally.  The = perpetual license is too steep for somebody like me.  Even if I = bought an annual subscription, the plug would go unused for a vast = majority of hours using Ae and Pr.  I do a variety of work, but = about half is interviews + b-roll.  One client has me removing all = logos that aren=E2=80=99t theirs.  Mocha for Ae works fine for = that, and even Ae and Pr animated masks do, too.

I demoed the MP plug-back when I had a = need for 3D camera solving, and because of the way my client's footage = was shot, I got just as good results with the Ae Solver as yours. =  I think my best bet is to wait until I have a need that only MP = can solve, and then bite the bullet on an annual subscription - sale or = not, and hope that one project pays for it.

But, I appreciate the head=E2=80=99s up = on the sale deadline.  



On Nov = 30, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Hey = Jim, 
I can not answer your Adobe questions... but = just wanted you and others to know that the Mocha Pro 2019 plug-in will = work with older versions of AE (and Premiere back to CC 2014. Most know = that Mocha Pro adds some cool features not found in Mocha AE. Mocha Pro = annual sale ends tonight at midnight. 

Compare Mocha Pro to Mocha AE: https://borisfx.com/products/mocha-pro/#compare

Sale info: https://borisfx.com/news/black-friday-2018-up-to-50-off-all-pro= ducts/

On = Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Sorry= for the long post.  If you=E2=80=99re busy, just ignore = this.  Part of it is griping.

I wonder = how many others here are in the same boat.  

My favorite feature of Ae CC 2019, = and the ONLY new feature that interests me is the Mocha Plug-in.  = I=E2=80=99ve been using Ae 2019 just for that one feature, but doing = everything else in CC 2018.  Pr has one new feature only I=E2=80=99m = interested in, and that=E2=80=99s the enhanced Lumetri Color = effect.  The enhanced Puppet Tool may come in handy at some = point.  Otherwise, meh.

I use Pr as much as Ae.  If I want to use Dynamic Link, = I have to use the same versions.  IOW, I can=E2=80=99t use Ae 2018 = with Pr 2019, and expect DL to work.  I can=E2=80=99t even copy = clips in Pr and paste them in Ae if the versions don=E2=80=99t = match.

I made = a mistake by testing Pr 2019 for one =E2=80=9Csmall=E2=80=9D project for = one client for whom I=E2=80=99d done about ten videos in Pr 2018.  = It worked OK, but there are still some bugs that make me reluctant to = commit to all of CC 2019.  Honestly, I can=E2=80=99t remember what = they were other than Pr taking an extremely long time to launch before = getting to the Open dialog.

So, I got a new project that requires me to use footage from = my previous ten projects.  I started it in Pr 2018.  = Everything was fine except when I needed to access footage in that Pr = 2019 project.  Not a show stopper.  I just had to launch the = Pr 2019 project, and do an XML export of my master Sequence and b-roll = and interview select Sequences, and then import that into Pr 2018, = losing all the animated masking I did in Pr 2019 (quite a bit).  I = was pleased to see some of my Lumetri Color effects were retained. =  

I wish = Adobe would figure out how to Save As... a previous version in Pr as = they have for Ae, or allow us to import Sequences from a later version = of Pr, or use Dynamic Link between different versions.  = Alas.

Anyway=E2=80= =A6 I=E2=80=99m posting to ask if anybody else has committed to CC 2019 = and having good success with both Pr and Ae.  If you=E2=80=99re = experiencing issues, what are they?  Are there workarounds? =  

My = biggest fear is encountering a job-killing bug that will inhibit timely = delivery of a paying project (see link below). 

I=E2=80=99m on Mac High = Sierra with a Nvidia Titan GPU.

Jim C.


Posts like = this aren=E2=80=99t encouraging:

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2556384


.


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Ross Shain
Chief Product Officer: Mocha
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