From: "Ross Shain" Received: from mail-ua1-f65.google.com ([209.85.222.65] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7200437 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 15:24:26 +0100 Received: by mail-ua1-f65.google.com with SMTP id u19so4474695uae.4 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:37:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=borisfx.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ZFdmpEyBJvMBSP97BBidcqqCCx0ZX5VhhU5mw1OYnZE=; b=w680Zm56sfmW4q//W9njw/3zO+5ogtLzvH/619eNgCNA3P6xb1Xdf5mtf2qGkm7rKE 8Ac8fdTErRxST1o+P3iFF2g8ntFISS/M06pWV69RQLllvfHSlI4ngp70ViONwcP04CU2 4EvZthL4mmxreYEU7X7yHTCuFLjbeV/OeaqsA/R/XUeMpyNl8e/l+/tNxCUH7CwXV9jO GPw0+Qug5VBcWbtgLo8x5WWxNb3NQHITt/XQmPVqkCWrbOnWUXcH6nayJf0W3DKol2SW otutl/mw93TGabk0hf5plQRuNz4BDLt5HI2ip56FbHKlEYh1latTpA85z45GqqG7mfiF m0Zw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=ZFdmpEyBJvMBSP97BBidcqqCCx0ZX5VhhU5mw1OYnZE=; b=N4xZxhKArDY8HIyHmUy51hRAq6G8M2zc0WILhPy32n56FtEGymqRgOVp6AoCE7vvdT UqeBBuHfZuc4NqbpTzq9eMhgT9Tje/FedOU5+sdWPohlwtGzBxK49FKwgP6XkvfBZ/Ea 3t31KrZpNg05rF4CNdP9k3q3ct+hJxBENbAa/xWuolohEgsC0pY1Ur7J6TzhE93KCvZk 1rfdCf/3rXnWHgBYUUJ86C/9kp4fFyAS9R8kzlVsMu30lZRecQC0c1g6ZMYa08Rgm8vu VDrZZiFeSkAtCbxYPMEMvHOHB1USy6xs56rNAbCPh5ylaL0+i88kzGTw617tI2l5SBFW u/TQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYItnTWusQ+U1Kx3MnBhYakt0hnEZy5X8AK6GnezXAQBtP506Yf 9AGMIenAQ7p9j3NYlIZHtlXW/w4EP0GFba8BcRlaqxYo X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/WyUWp0HU8HZcdKmnk+OAKrVwSerlGq6Qy0qaX1KaPnBivy3oC+K5pSIo4vOPQ1m6s7wRtQqDrTy5v8f+ZdlxQ= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:35f1:: with SMTP id u46mr7534156uad.136.1543847869474; Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:37:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 09:37:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] reluctant to commit to CC 2019 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d90085057c1f17f8" --000000000000d90085057c1f17f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Jim, Thanks for the feedback on Mocha Pro pricing. Just to clarify for list posterity: The price increase on Mocha Pro subscription option ($195 to $295 per year) happened when new Mocha Pro 2019 was released in October. This release merged 2 products (Pro + VR) and while the purchase list price stayed the same, the subscription price was increased. So except subscription, Mocha prices have stayed the same for a few years and significant features (and workflows) have been added. I just wanted to dispel any notion that prices were increased specifically for Black Friday sale. ;) I understand the point about being a generalist and not always needing the advanced options. Monthly subscriptions is something we have considered but generally, most users that commit to Mocha Pro end up loving it and using it more than they envisioned. It all comes done to time... if you do much roto, I'd recommend checking out the magnetic spline in Mocha Pro 2019. Similar to rotobrush but everything remains vector and has a nice approach for objects that go offscreen. You can still install and demo unwatermarked trial of Mocha Pro for 15 days. Cheers, Ross PS - we plan to improve the 3D Camera Solver in an upcoming release. On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 14:28, Jim Curtis wrote: > Ross, I was tempted to take advantage of Black Friday and buy a year > subscription to your Pro plug-in, but I noticed that Boris jacked up the > price from $199 from the last time I looked (around two months ago) to > $295. So, now your =E2=80=9Cdiscount=E2=80=9D is even higher than if I= =E2=80=99d gotten a > subscription back then. > > You guys might consider monthly subscriptions. As a generalist in post, = I > don=E2=80=99t have a need for what MP does all the time; just occasionall= y. The > perpetual license is too steep for somebody like me. Even if I bought an > annual subscription, the plug would go unused for a vast majority of hour= s > using Ae and Pr. I do a variety of work, but about half is interviews + > b-roll. One client has me removing all logos that aren=E2=80=99t theirs.= Mocha > for Ae works fine for that, and even Ae and Pr animated masks do, too. > > I demoed the MP plug-back when I had a need for 3D camera solving, and > because of the way my client's footage was shot, I got just as good resul= ts > with the Ae Solver as yours. I think my best bet is to wait until I have= a > need that only MP can solve, and then bite the bullet on an annual > subscription - sale or not, and hope that one project pays for it. > > But, I appreciate the head=E2=80=99s up on the sale deadline. > > > > On Nov 30, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Ross Shain wrote: > > Hey Jim, > I can not answer your Adobe questions... but just wanted you and others t= o > know that the Mocha Pro 2019 plug-in will work with older versions of AE > (and Premiere back to CC 2014. Most know that Mocha Pro adds some cool > features not found in Mocha AE. Mocha Pro annual sale ends tonight at > midnight. > > Compare Mocha Pro to Mocha AE: > https://borisfx.com/products/mocha-pro/#compare > > Sale info: > https://borisfx.com/news/black-friday-2018-up-to-50-off-all-products/ > > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> Sorry for the long post. If you=E2=80=99re busy, just ignore this. Par= t of it >> is griping. >> >> I wonder how many others here are in the same boat. >> >> My favorite feature of Ae CC 2019, and the ONLY new feature that >> interests me is the Mocha Plug-in. I=E2=80=99ve been using Ae 2019 just= for that >> one feature, but doing everything else in CC 2018. Pr has one new featu= re >> only I=E2=80=99m interested in, and that=E2=80=99s the enhanced Lumetri = Color effect. The >> enhanced Puppet Tool may come in handy at some point. Otherwise, meh. >> >> I use Pr as much as Ae. If I want to use Dynamic Link, I have to use th= e >> same versions. IOW, I can=E2=80=99t use Ae 2018 with Pr 2019, and expec= t DL to >> work. I can=E2=80=99t even copy clips in Pr and paste them in Ae if the= versions >> don=E2=80=99t match. >> >> I made a mistake by testing Pr 2019 for one =E2=80=9Csmall=E2=80=9D proj= ect for one >> client for whom I=E2=80=99d done about ten videos in Pr 2018. It worked= OK, but >> there are still some bugs that make me reluctant to commit to all of CC >> 2019. Honestly, I can=E2=80=99t remember what they were other than Pr t= aking an >> extremely long time to launch before getting to the Open dialog. >> >> So, I got a new project that requires me to use footage from my previous >> ten projects. I started it in Pr 2018. Everything was fine except when= I >> needed to access footage in that Pr 2019 project. Not a show stopper. = I >> just had to launch the Pr 2019 project, and do an XML export of my maste= r >> Sequence and b-roll and interview select Sequences, and then import that >> into Pr 2018, losing all the animated masking I did in Pr 2019 (quite a >> bit). I was pleased to see some of my Lumetri Color effects were retain= ed. >> >> >> I wish Adobe would figure out how to Save As... a previous version in Pr >> as they have for Ae, or allow us to import Sequences from a later versio= n >> of Pr, or use Dynamic Link between different versions. Alas. >> >> Anyway=E2=80=A6 I=E2=80=99m posting to ask if anybody else has committed= to CC 2019 and >> having good success with both Pr and Ae. If you=E2=80=99re experiencing= issues, >> what are they? Are there workarounds? >> >> My biggest fear is encountering a job-killing bug that will inhibit >> timely delivery of a paying project (see link below). >> >> I=E2=80=99m on Mac High Sierra with a Nvidia Titan GPU. >> >> Jim C. >> >> >> Posts like this aren=E2=80=99t encouraging: >> >> https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2556384 >> >> >> . >> > > > -- > > *Ross Shain* > Chief Product Officer: Mocha > +1.646.298.6458 | borisfx.com > > > > > > > > > > --=20 *Ross Shain* Chief Product Officer: Mocha +1.646.298.6458 | borisfx.com --000000000000d90085057c1f17f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey Jim,=C2=A0
Thanks for the feedback on Mocha Pro pr= icing. Just to clarify for list posterity: The price increase on Mocha Pro = subscription option ($195 to $295 per year) happened when new Mocha Pro 201= 9 was released in October. This release merged 2 products (Pro=C2=A0+ VR) a= nd while the purchase list price stayed the same, the subscription price wa= s increased.=C2=A0

So except subscription, Mocha p= rices have stayed the same for a few years and significant features (and wo= rkflows) have been added. I just wanted to dispel any notion that prices we= re increased specifically for Black Friday sale. ;)=C2=A0

I understand the point about being a generalist and not always need= ing the advanced options. Monthly subscriptions is=C2=A0something=C2=A0we h= ave considered but generally,=C2=A0most users that commit to Mocha Pro end = up loving=C2=A0it and using it more than they envisioned.=C2=A0 It all come= s done to time...=C2=A0 if you do much roto, I'd recommend=C2=A0checkin= g out the magnetic spline in Mocha Pro 2019. Similar to rotobrush=C2=A0but = everything remains vector and has a nice approach for objects that go offsc= reen. You can still install and demo unwatermarked=C2=A0trial of Mocha Pro = for 15 days.=C2=A0

Cheers,
Ross

PS - we plan to improve the 3D Camera Solver in an upcomin= g=C2=A0release.=C2=A0


On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 14:28, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:<= br>
Ross, I was tempted to take advantage of Blac= k Friday and buy a year subscription to your Pro plug-in, but I noticed tha= t Boris jacked up the price from $199 from the last time I looked (around t= wo months ago) to $295.=C2=A0 So, now your =E2=80=9Cdiscount=E2=80=9D is ev= en higher than if I=E2=80=99d gotten a subscription back then.

You guys might consider monthly subscriptions.=C2=A0 As a generalist= in post, I don=E2=80=99t have a need for what MP does all the time; just o= ccasionally.=C2=A0 The perpetual license is too steep for somebody like me.= =C2=A0 Even if I bought an annual subscription, the plug would go unused fo= r a vast majority of hours using Ae and Pr.=C2=A0 I do a variety of work, b= ut about half is interviews + b-roll.=C2=A0 One client has me removing all = logos that aren=E2=80=99t theirs.=C2=A0 Mocha for Ae works fine for that, a= nd even Ae and Pr animated masks do, too.

I demoed= the MP plug-back when I had a need for 3D camera solving, and because of t= he way my client's footage was shot, I got just as good results with th= e Ae Solver as yours.=C2=A0 I think my best bet is to wait until I have a n= eed that only MP can solve, and then bite the bullet on an annual subscript= ion - sale or not, and hope that one project pays for it.

But, I appreciate the head=E2=80=99s up on the sale deadline. =C2= =A0



On N= ov 30, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Ross Shain <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Hey Jim,=C2=A0
I can not answer = your Adobe questions... but just wanted you and others to know that the Moc= ha Pro 2019 plug-in will work with older versions of AE (and Premiere back = to CC 2014. Most know that Mocha Pro adds some cool features not found in M= ocha AE. Mocha Pro annual sale ends tonight at midnight.=C2=A0
Compare Mocha Pro to Mocha AE:=C2=A0https://borisfx.com/pro= ducts/mocha-pro/#compare



On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 11:28, Jim Curtis <= AE-List@media-= motion.tv> wrote:
Sorry for the long post.=C2=A0 If you=E2=80=99re busy, = just ignore this.=C2=A0 Part of it is griping.

I wonde= r how many others here are in the same boat. =C2=A0

My favorite feature of= Ae CC 2019, and the ONLY new feature that interests me is the Mocha Plug-i= n.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve been using Ae 2019 just for that one feature, but doi= ng everything else in CC 2018.=C2=A0 Pr has one new feature only I=E2=80=99= m interested in, and that=E2=80=99s the enhanced Lumetri Color effect.=C2= =A0 The enhanced Puppet Tool may come in handy at some point.=C2=A0 Otherwi= se, meh.

I use Pr as much as Ae.=C2=A0 If I want to use = Dynamic Link, I have to use the same versions.=C2=A0 IOW, I can=E2=80=99t u= se Ae 2018 with Pr 2019, and expect DL to work.=C2=A0 I can=E2=80=99t even = copy clips in Pr and paste them in Ae if the versions don=E2=80=99t match.<= /div>

I made a mistake by testing Pr 2019 for one =E2=80= =9Csmall=E2=80=9D project for one client for whom I=E2=80=99d done about te= n videos in Pr 2018.=C2=A0 It worked OK, but there are still some bugs that= make me reluctant to commit to all of CC 2019.=C2=A0 Honestly, I can=E2=80= =99t remember what they were other than Pr taking an extremely long time to= launch before getting to the Open dialog.

So, I g= ot a new project that requires me to use footage from my previous ten proje= cts.=C2=A0 I started it in Pr 2018.=C2=A0 Everything was fine except when I= needed to access footage in that Pr 2019 project.=C2=A0 Not a show stopper= .=C2=A0 I just had to launch the Pr 2019 project, and do an XML export of m= y master Sequence and b-roll and interview select Sequences, and then impor= t that into Pr 2018, losing all the animated masking I did in Pr 2019 (quit= e a bit).=C2=A0 I was pleased to see some of my Lumetri Color effects were = retained. =C2=A0

I wish Adobe would figure out how= to Save As... a previous version in Pr as they have for Ae, or allow us to= import Sequences from a later version of Pr, or use Dynamic Link between d= ifferent versions.=C2=A0 Alas.

Anyway=E2=80=A6 I= =E2=80=99m posting to ask if anybody else has committed to CC 2019 and havi= ng good success with both Pr and Ae.=C2=A0 If you=E2=80=99re experiencing i= ssues, what are they?=C2=A0 Are there workarounds? =C2=A0

My biggest fear is encountering a job-killing bug that will inhibit= timely delivery of a paying project (see link below).=C2=A0

=
I=E2=80=99m on Mac High Sierra with a Nvidia Titan GPU.

Ji= m C.


Posts like this aren=E2=80=99t= encouraging:



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