From: "Steve Oakley" Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.197] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7228261 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:48:21 +0100 Received: from [10.1.1.103] ([71.87.57.30]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus001 [74.208.5.2]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MPFe2-1gdDnJ2eQq-004TaP for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2019 17:57:33 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AD0899D5-C3C6-4AA6-8D60-F2AB63ADDB98" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Clients requesting RAW files Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 10:57:26 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <10DE3759-CA1E-4708-B837-A92B2083767E@practicalillusions.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VgIEnenilOCrzIz8prh2++Kk3V8+3YaKMhLhZ30AedVFS/URmjB hNvhYEI4SGfJwwSgcHPQYbf10DEQhdCK+diNh4U1tWLN/NRq/ng8BmSYzyS+VbdAPNNRM9n n0rEIooJRL9px6KtasOv8IOJvlZRa5ERUyocg9fY3aIwfhhiI+UpG43xdaxMiQ+vgIVP40y Pa+hJmRHGKLQNMse9AG9w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6jcDw8LOJ5o=:cbKHGNmtnpIDbkM95j0Q6n kawKqTrr/nf8Y2/Y4W3nVY4zJOpxesjN+/bd1ETN5Ngo4yZn1TphSo3XIl9+McBQL8by2TndX YvPSMG7rDvbGn2GA4Wpg7Xhq6BRCHU2S0nQu2eMM+qQxUvsczXThqNHN67zBacIDtSQX2NxU+ Ao5GXrm0SPhUlceaObZWoGLqiK63x8KtcPoBnXO9TMWFhhhqxXmOuO5dv57JZvSQvFeoyO6D6 +ZElVYbVLri6HqNCZJyWVqsydEugNMtZfY/cSAl9je240yMDgV1R68vMrENLP3hrnu3OvW28A 6VyaJ+w0N7pDbRDt/MsfyB9fqLWqbNKKWQLpv+yQRBipmMGwh9LKQDQb2saPtqC/0HyM5uKC2 dZJpgASanZdWKK7sanTImgM/uVbPg1h6fs9YAqWyQzQBH+YdeleC1n6UH9uCE7EQnXkjpb4tf GIYvKXeMf1QvP5kj7+1VCml2sK1gJ2aU7t0FBjbVReuNPA5ev0HMOIuly4pYEkkAYX8pnUEOm R8juJSBuohkzbcaXI8LlCUtqzaQjG6ZtrooB5ifC16dx0wX5wnwSyYVjqBOoUIzA+3ctSQUB4 nEaBa9TEqGiLKPnP+6P58GFbB+JS+ncynpFEAr1hByaV8A2FITLrmLhUHeU1jP6mCnFIr1J6i SaIpyDuv+q//3gOOWCNzAxGJYF6EOAd9h8nj8II1i4ROvhrdtOaDrVYM5b9DZSDNiRvbMkLnf W+6XDmvyswXVuYW5f2i/hcG7+N2EqTujKK6wFnr8n6SnE6PmPycflVBT0CvDOzsRzrZgkT7p5 RtLdy2n --Apple-Mail=_AD0899D5-C3C6-4AA6-8D60-F2AB63ADDB98 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 its nothing new. the answers vary starting with =E2=80=9Cno" and end in = "yes but for how much extra are they willing to pay" or see answer #1. this has kind of been beat to death but basically end clients are only = entitled to finished projects, not the work files involved from RAW = images, camera original video files, project files, other intermediate = work. if they really want them, they have to pay for them. the best way = to figure that out is to estimate how much you=E2=80=99ll loose from = updating those projects and charge 50-100% of that amount depending. = clients asking after the fact pay top rates if you decide you want to, = if clients ask upfront then there is more negotiating room.=20 you might also be able to put some stipulations into upfront = negotiations on the IP usage. =20 S > On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Michael Powers = wrote: >=20 > I know this has been discussed many times before, but increasingly = clients expect/request all files from projects - including Illustrator, = photoshop, stock footage and music, AfterFX, and 3ds MAX files. > =20 > Is this a trend? It has been happening also with clients that we are = the agency of record with. I am uncomfortable giving away intellectual = property for free and having some freelancer undercutting us using our = files! > =20 > Thoughts? > =20 > =20 > =20 > Mike Powers > https://vimeo.com/mpowers > 3DBOXX W8920Processor 32.0 GB RAM=20 > Dual Xeon CPU E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz, 2601 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical = Processor(s) > Windows 10 Enterprise - 1734 > NVIDIA GTX TITAN Black RAM 6.0 GB Driver Version 471.35 --Apple-Mail=_AD0899D5-C3C6-4AA6-8D60-F2AB63ADDB98 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 its = nothing new. the answers vary starting with =E2=80=9Cno" and end in "yes = but for how much extra are they willing to pay" or see answer #1.

this has kind of been = beat to death but basically end clients are only entitled to finished = projects, not the work files involved from RAW images, camera original = video files, project files, other intermediate work. if they really want = them, they have to pay for them. the best way to figure that out is to = estimate how much you=E2=80=99ll loose from updating those projects and = charge 50-100% of that amount depending. clients asking after the fact = pay top rates if you decide you want to, if clients ask upfront then = there is more negotiating room. 

you might also be able to put some = stipulations into upfront negotiations on the IP usage.
 

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On Jan 10, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Michael Powers = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

I know = this has been discussed many times before, but increasingly clients = expect/request all files from projects - including Illustrator, = photoshop, stock footage and music, AfterFX, and 3ds MAX files.
 
Is this a = trend? It has been happening also with clients that we are the agency of = record with. I am uncomfortable giving away intellectual property for = free and having some freelancer undercutting us using our files!
 
Thoughts?
 
 
 

Mike Powers
https://vimeo.com/mpowers

3DBOXX = W8920Processor          = 32.0 GB RAM 
Dual Xeon CPU = E5-2670 0 @ 2.60GHz, 2601 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)
Windows 10 Enterprise - = 1734
NVIDIA GTX TITAN Black = RAM  6.0 GB     Driver Version  = 471.35

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