From: "J Bills" Received: from [40.92.9.103] (HELO NAM04-BN3-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7234605 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 03:42:20 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=hotmail.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=ZDLjK7NpuoK/2G1XBGg/bws/67TP+ntNzOcGdP1nzqU=; b=LofUt5oZDCSEt8iQtm/Q1j7XvGxLKjU+f/ROwmWcnTHtqvnmvjvWanYcx+/DgaLmnQIQopSFwIQ5Gwl1BHzprMoOFahpPAIq1tyvZvOofbLRycXG6Shn77/TEM2wj/xk+VqMKgWeSLV+k7K6HGCrGzh31prhOcAfmG4l/LEKgcJVtnirjEe3+gh0y+se8jxsYCZM4qF1EcQJUyrO/ReX8YFw5mVC/xX6cDD9wwSf9qn9UWgIb5L2ULj0/LJN48ewnKefaT4hf5uEl3CQxsanbyo6mJX/McQMQ6pAOqp/DfJL8/noB24WaQnB6DEq7PevmDIAgGo/QJBzszbhgFCSnA== Received: from SN1NAM04FT050.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.88.51) by SN1NAM04HT123.eop-NAM04.prod.protection.outlook.com (10.152.89.123) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384) id 15.20.1558.11; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:52:00 +0000 Received: from BYAPR11MB3112.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.152.88.56) by SN1NAM04FT050.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.152.89.157) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1558.11 via Frontend Transport; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:52:00 +0000 Received: from BYAPR11MB3112.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2188:5d58:dc3b:da2e]) by BYAPR11MB3112.namprd11.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::2188:5d58:dc3b:da2e%4]) with mapi id 15.20.1537.031; Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:52:00 +0000 To: Chris Zwar Subject: Re: [AE] Considerations for NAS Thread-Topic: [AE] Considerations for NAS Thread-Index: AQHUrtn/P2oqik+sv0+5y1utWCzP/KW9vp92 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 02:52:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-incomingtopheadermarker: OriginalChecksum:C5C6847EC73ED748692A648FCA073D0B9B680CD3993C709D80AE43BDA9224705;UpperCasedChecksum:310E873103482FB0EB7C0BF0A25E54954FAA6AAEC247BDF0AF186397EBC96195;SizeAsReceived:6846;Count:45 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-tmn: [Wx89uSkxqGozt7+wpq0mnpDodxEhd4on] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1;SN1NAM04HT123;6:opgi/qXS/3qTH+yI5kR+XxcCFGCTcwpcui5sQpa4ZsTHRYi4JXaTa5smml7BPHzyAEx2YTNHP5YYVrW4PVExzjMbv7N4yrbh3X7wluvjx7GgcdqunldJ3P248ZXW5WXnysVL3lNti9AKEIYRqJDK+lZndxMsO0HKiMNDDIj91XBNUBzV+jXytgUcALTSsSKhE2CoLM7GvGLgbw+rMoMMDQpTOm31nYSbOoHpRQiAmylRrFcFLn+rskgCflvziBvsFOajOEcK0xVB4Et6mF57Ri9tValQ6lMcU8m2yf7mPYVjWxALv3DM+qYVWKK0AsvRzWUHe3eirEVWP1OCoWKPbVWFObp6A6+3BVSmZ8G2e3PltCLz6Cc5Rj6fmdHgAWU0KnyqgemQwmoLeiBOfNZMHV4gXmD1IwPJZyJ9AvR8O+up5s1Z2dR7WOjsAtPUttrLEOUHkxxzXOinU+ygXK0hyw==;5:A1hdWpoptaH6jx4YgQhJhUzXHZsdCOtZMCIIandZ6jlqQLPGIaeMs4g66YKqw5OFK6EigC3CzyrFXMgLBT4YvsiNApc6WNd+cSUA+xkDsT9F+0TSltbdW81htoVhm6Y/4pB26wo7ekd5/T3q5fkLF+IrcuqikqBVcI+OLFB2ezrciDR+qYCRHeqmP/mN9GX0AIvGfgmjRjOXxsyhBJaN6g==;7:50w/j7TP+gGy1yBnfRusxHGjQ0VuNro/x8Pr/ifQUpR21ch+1yqemq40X/ToSauJhCz9Vg9oh3L3ea2duLoewq/HG3Y/8XSbt15SXqXuXAXTTSdw9X94Pt+AgcHKEEFgKJzqFJ3fdQyrBmD0AhZbSQ== x-incomingheadercount: 45 x-eopattributedmessage: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(2390118)(7020095)(201702061078)(5061506573)(5061507331)(1603103135)(2017031320274)(2017031322404)(2017031323274)(2017031324274)(1601125500)(1603101475)(1701031045);SRVR:SN1NAM04HT123; x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SN1NAM04HT123: x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(4566010)(82015058);SRVR:SN1NAM04HT123;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:SN1NAM04HT123; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: H1pfkDQRZJgh0hmaobkDIfd9tmDleVKDJ5TZ7BsbP1nywbH/4HWkD1lKKQTq49zn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BYAPR11MB3112687B8C14DCADA21340DDB99A0BYAPR11MB3112namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: hotmail.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-RMS-PersistedConsumerOrg: 24fd1209-d934-423e-a578-ee886993c07f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 43749b8b-5e9d-4754-138b-08d681a6e98d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-rms-persistedconsumerorg: 24fd1209-d934-423e-a578-ee886993c07f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 24 Jan 2019 02:52:00.1004 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Internet X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 84df9e7f-e9f6-40af-b435-aaaaaaaaaaaa X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN1NAM04HT123 --_000_BYAPR11MB3112687B8C14DCADA21340DDB99A0BYAPR11MB3112namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'll just add this into your train of thought - I went with a gen 8 HP micr= oserver running Freenas 11, and very happy after previously being a Synolog= y person. It's a little more clunky but more powerful, and overall I just really like= the reliability of ZFS and the BSD core over what Synology went with, whic= h I think is a BTRFS derivative. I have the xeon upgrade, 16gb ECC RAM, and then 4 bays + space to mount SSD= s. I put one into the optical bay using a caddy. It also has a microSD sl= ot, which you can put a 100mb/s sandisk card into and those cover my zil + = l2arc caching. Using SSDs for just the caching gives you the speed of SSD = but then the cheap outlet of using regular drives for your array. You can = imagine how cheap big SSDs will be when it's time to update a batch of 4 or= 6tb drives in a few years. Also has ilo on board and 2 nics that you can bond for a dual gigabit setup= . It's possible to add a 10gigE card if you have a switch with a 10gigE po= rt, or if want to set up a single point to point 10g connection with your w= orkstation. That could really scream if you had dual SSD caches feeding it= , should be able to saturate that. Or you could add a 4 port gigabit card.= Or wifi, like you wanted (could do that with USB though). Having the pci= -e onboard helps things quite a bit, keeps it flexible. Great energy usage - low idle. They are a bit hard to find since I think HP is up to gen 10 now, but the g= en 8 was really a sweet, stout little box. Freenas is worth the learning c= urve - all the vm/docker stuff pretty much perfected it in my opinion. just some ideas. ________________________________ From: After Effects Mail List on behalf of Chris = Zwar Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:59 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: [AE] Considerations for NAS Hi all, I=92m looking to make my home setup a bit more professional and at some poi= nt I will get a NAS. I retired my Drobo a few years ago but I am guilty of= cluttering my desk with a bunch of external hard drives and I want somethi= ng a bit more substantial for the future. For those who=92ve already bought a NAS, beyond the basic question of brand= (probably Synology or Qnap), I=92d appreciate any insight on features that= I should consider or that might catch me out if they=92re not in cheaper m= odels. My initial thoughts are: - at least 6 or 8 bays - redundancy (ie RAID) - 2 1/2=94 bays - preferably optimised for flash drives only - 10 gig Ethernet for future proofing - easy to expand. Will probably start with a few drives and add more over = the years - Mac & Windows - if that=92s even still an issue these days - Built in Wifi (?) Anything else? When I bought my Drobo over 10 years ago, the main feature = was its ability to mix different drive sizes. Not sure if that=92s somethi= ng which has spread to other brands. I=92d like to think I=92ll never have to purchase another spinning hard dri= ve again, so the entry level FS model from Synology looks interesting but e= xpensive: https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/FS1018 This Qnap is cheaper but with different features: https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/tvs-882st3 All advice is welcome! -Chris --_000_BYAPR11MB3112687B8C14DCADA21340DDB99A0BYAPR11MB3112namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll just add this into your train of thought - I went with a gen 8 HP micr= oserver running Freenas 11, and very happy after previously being a Synolog= y person.

It's a little more clunky but more powerful, and overall I just really like= the reliability of ZFS and the BSD core over what Synology went with, whic= h I think is a BTRFS derivative.

I have the xeon upgrade, 16gb ECC RAM, and then 4 bays + space to mount= SSDs.  I put one into the optical bay using a caddy.  It also ha= s a microSD slot, which you can put a 100mb/s sandisk card into and those c= over my zil + l2arc caching.  Using SSDs for just the caching gives you the speed of SSD but then the cheap outlet of using = regular drives for your array.  You can imagine how cheap big SSDs wil= l be when it's time to update a batch of 4 or 6tb drives in a few years.

Also has ilo on board and 2 nics that you can bond for a dual gigabit setup= .  It's possible to add a 10gigE card if you have a switch with a 10gi= gE port, or if want to set up a single point to point 10g connection with y= our workstation.  That could really scream if you had dual SSD caches feeding it, should be able to saturate that.&nb= sp; Or you could add a 4 port gigabit card.  Or wifi, like you wanted = (could do that with USB though).  Having the pci-e onboard helps thing= s quite a bit, keeps it flexible.

Great energy usage - low idle.

They are a bit hard to find since I think HP is up to gen 10 now, but the g= en 8 was really a sweet, stout little box.  Freenas is worth the learn= ing curve - all the vm/docker stuff pretty much perfected it in my opinion.=

just some ideas.
From: After Effects Mail Li= st <AE-List@media-motion.tv> on behalf of Chris Zwar <AE-List@medi= a-motion.tv>
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:59 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: [AE] Considerations for NAS
 

I=92m looking to make my home setup a bit more professional= and at some point I will get a NAS.  I retired my Drobo a few years a= go but I am guilty of cluttering my desk with a bunch of external hard driv= es and I want something a bit more substantial for the future.
  
For those who=92ve already bought a NAS, beyond the basic q= uestion of brand (probably Synology or Qnap), I=92d appreciate any insight = on features that I should consider or that might catch me out if they=92re = not in cheaper models.

My initial thoughts are:

- at least 6 or 8 bays
- redundancy (ie RAID)
- 2 1/2=94 bays - preferably optimised for flash drives onl= y
- 10 gig Ethernet for future proofing
- easy to expand.  Will probably start with a few driv= es and add more over the years
- Mac & Windows - if that=92s even still an issue these= days
- Built in Wifi (?)

Anything else?  When I bought my Drobo over 10 years a= go, the main feature was its ability to mix different drive sizes.  No= t sure if that=92s something which has spread to other brands.

I=92d like to think I=92ll never have to purchase another s= pinning hard drive again, so the entry level FS model from Synology looks i= nteresting but expensive:

https://www.synology.com/en-global/products/FS1018

This Qnap is cheaper but with different features:

https://www.qnap.com/en-au/product/tvs-882st3

All advice is welcome!


-Chris

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