From: "Byron Nash" Received: from mail-qk1-f175.google.com ([209.85.222.175] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7241169 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 19:53:51 +0100 Received: by mail-qk1-f175.google.com with SMTP id m9so620697qkl.4 for ; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 11:04:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=zjapg30eO0LSuSh3+lf/9VK91GrMxeiPeFJbw41m4W8=; b=j8B9UzOdzuQSyaBMpUvNkMtuf2GdJgOt8f6IDKyMvIXF6ouqp4O5jnlEI88eyKsui/ 5y99m99Ny1qpoKdfOfQfzF2bgtNPSpAwVwgNiQ2SmVYPw+IMQcilK3cDBKklpdFqJk5Y UEC4Y8bBkmX0ACur3EnYIHARAOcGXe9waBvxuMQoft9Agsj565Ekf2ihto+kb7maDiLb M6ro8BykchwgUE63RZpW65E7W1OviuaN8/XwDg8rCbI85ch4uSfxIzlomXXp5NYWsWfz HH1zZrxDDQhzZ9y4LSIGh/3mJBTSvYyhuR0uTVI4sahFU1QiAOjop8P/aAmCSMkEFszf 5C8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=zjapg30eO0LSuSh3+lf/9VK91GrMxeiPeFJbw41m4W8=; b=OsEJL9++DQa5hakerMpgTG5r2AagSc5nM1mixlgM/1AaCTHEx9Tc9Kavm37gdGC6R4 XJB7Ojs6eEnp7SqTcKKgL3+Xa2oK03eee59u9mEbdW8Wqw0abEywv21CLvjvBkLOEyQR fqUJum+c5vu2kTPWRgVaS1B9QhwhUu+KoU4kartDJJd9xlpF/ojfrMFdoswJMrooYrHh oxB2k+nUe6YPi29Os8sE9gUQ5iDS++ELtf0GRBF2nsjpLPU8Y7WOZQGjN+rtq69cPQmM ioGRJSCp76zMozx6e6JShhxMPsiUBGqsWCQAQt7CneKTn5bEw9hKA+gC1lGg2LB273+1 wYrQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuZjQb/sXclWctJx8drMZkthCP9WqGkw2DFw3noZTe29ux4NLNkp H9O5/tWVIgxprXShGoPCTuPxT/srDKi6XRFF0lV9uw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IY6jMWwCWtpvq8N7lnurxBZfz4sFKDLF2DRZw17Op6HWZSQIxVxGskTwzzDo+BJLksczC09toVCHarzymzSGWM= X-Received: by 2002:a37:c38b:: with SMTP id r11mr2709084qkl.159.1549566240955; Thu, 07 Feb 2019 11:04:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 14:03:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Feedback on Workstation components To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000059263c05815281da" --00000000000059263c05815281da Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the input. It has confirmed my intuition to stay away from the Quadro and Xeon for this build. Looking at either 2x 2080's or 1x 2080ti now. Don't have funds for 2 of those. :-( No need for 10bit output here. Mostly making HD TV promos on this machine. On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Teddy Gage wrote: > okay I'm seeing a lot of mixed advice. The problem here is that there is = a > major real-world consequence of getting the wrong type of processor these > days, and it is REALLY important to buy the right system for YOUR workflo= w > > The big points - > > - Unless you NEED 10 bit color output (unlikely) do not get a quadro. The= y > are intended for industrial CAD / CAM workflows and are 1/10th as fast fo= r > rendering CUDA Redshift. They are intended for use cases where you need > extreme floating point precision, like designing critical infrastructure. > Nobody is using Quadros for Redshift / Octane. > - The same goes for Xeons. Do not get a xeon system. Many builders try to > sell you on xeons because they can make more markup on it. They are > extremely expensive and offer little to no performance benefits vs. i7 or > i9. This is basically due to A) lack of overclocking ability and B) way > more expensive ECC RAM required (not necessary). The large number of core= s > means each core is slower than the equivalent i7/i9. AE and most tasks in > Cinema are still single-threaded. The exception is if you plan on doing a > lot of CPU rendering in Arnold (which is going GPU soon anyway), or high > end simulation work in houdini etc. > - Basically - the more cores you have, the slower each core is, this is > based on thermal and manufacturing limitations. AMD TR chips are good but > the same applies - only necessary for pure multithreaded CPU tasks. > - Currently, for future-proofing, the only GPU I'd look at right now is > the GTX 2080ti - but try to find the "blower" models and not the "open fa= n" > designs, as those tend to just push hot air around inside your case. > > I'm not going into a specific parts list but from what you're saying I'd > be looking at a system with an i9 chip with 8-12 cores, high megahertz > boost / OC abvility (4.2-5 Ghz) very good all in one liquid cooling (a > 360mm radiator is essential), and one or two GTX 2080ti's. And yes, RAM > prices have blown up and stayed there due to manufacturing shortages, > supposedly. > > I am currently rocking a machine I built with the core i7 7900X, 4x > 1080ti, 128 GB RAM for similar workflows and it does great. I will say > avoid Asus motherboards for now, they can have issues > -Teddy > > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM Robert & Jenny > wrote: > >> I tend to make my own systems but one that seems to be getting a lot of >> attention recently due to GreyscaleGorilla's upgrade is AMD's Threadripp= er. >> >> - Robert H >> On 2/7/2019 7:34 AM, Byron Nash wrote: >> >> Just trying to get the best we can afford! I need to spend closer to $5k >> for this to work. >> >> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:31 AM Elliot Steele >> wrote: >> >>> Do you need the best of the best? The newest, cutting edge machine? >>> >>> I decided a while ago to accept a slightly lower/slower spec in exchang= e >>> for ridiculous savings and went the refurb route. >>> >>> If I wanted to buy a new workstation now, I'd go for a HP Z820 or Z840 >>> with dual Xeons, at least 128 GB of RAM and a good Quadro card. As a re= furb >>> it runs around =E2=82=AC1400. >>> >>> Compared to a brand new top-end beast at around =E2=82=AC10k it makes m= ore sense >>> for me. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Elliot >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> *digitalMEDIA Technik GmbH* >>> >>> >>> Am Berg 20 >>> >>> 91809 Wellheim >>> >>> >>> tel.: 08427 985011 >>> >>> fax: 08427 985012 >>> >>> handy: 0172 8410163 >>> >>> >>> E-Mail: elliot.steele@digitalmediatechnik.de >>> >>> Web: http://www.digitalmediatechnik.de >>> >>> >>> HRB 5012, Amtsgericht Ingolstadt >>> >>> Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer Elliot Steele >>> >>> USt-Nr: 124/124/40585 >>> >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> On 2/7/19 3:25 PM, Byron Nash wrote: >>> >>> I'm buying another workstation for a new hire. The prices on some of th= e >>> components have either exploded or new options have come out. Our curre= nt >>> machines have i7 3 ghZ CPU's, 1080 ti GPU's, and 128GB RAM. The 1080's = are >>> no longer available at reasonable prices. I have one vendor quoting a X= EON >>> CPU and a Quadro. But I'm also looking at RTX 20 series GPU's and i9's.= I >>> don't have unlimited budget. These boxes will get used for mostly AE an= d >>> some C4D/Redshift. >>> >>> My question is, given similar price points, would you take a XEON over = a >>> i7/9 and a Quadro over a RTX? >>> >>> >>> > > -- > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 > > --00000000000059263c05815281da Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the input. It has confirmed my intuition to sta= y away from the Quadro and Xeon for this build. Looking at either 2x 2080&#= 39;s or 1x 2080ti now. Don't have funds for 2 of those. :-(=C2=A0
N= o need for 10bit output here. Mostly making HD TV promos on this machine.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:58 AM Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
okay I'm see= ing a lot of mixed advice. The problem here is that there is a major real-w= orld consequence of getting the wrong type of processor these days, and it = is REALLY important to buy the right system for YOUR workflow

The big points -=C2=A0

- Unless you NEED 10 = bit color output (unlikely) do not get a quadro. They are intended for indu= strial CAD / CAM workflows and are 1/10th as fast for rendering CUDA Redshi= ft. They are intended for use cases where you need extreme floating point p= recision, like designing critical infrastructure. Nobody is using Quadros f= or Redshift / Octane.=C2=A0
- The same goes for Xeons. Do not get= a xeon system. Many builders try to sell you on xeons because they can mak= e more markup on it. They are extremely expensive and offer little to no pe= rformance benefits vs. i7 or i9. This is basically due to A) lack of overcl= ocking ability and B) way more expensive ECC RAM required (not necessary). = The large number of cores means each core is slower than the equivalent i7/= i9. AE and most tasks in Cinema are still single-threaded. The exception is= if you plan on doing a lot of CPU rendering in Arnold (which is going GPU = soon anyway), or high end simulation work in houdini etc.=C2=A0
-= Basically - the more cores you have, the slower each core is, this is base= d on thermal and manufacturing limitations. AMD TR chips are good but the s= ame applies - only necessary for pure multithreaded CPU tasks.=C2=A0
<= div>- Currently, for future-proofing, the only GPU I'd look at right no= w is the GTX 2080ti - but try to find the "blower" models and not= the "open fan" designs, as those tend to just push hot air aroun= d inside your case.=C2=A0

I'm not going into a= specific parts list but from what you're saying I'd be looking at = a system with an i9 chip with 8-12 cores, high megahertz boost / OC abvilit= y (4.2-5 Ghz) very good all in one liquid cooling (a 360mm radiator is esse= ntial), and one or two GTX 2080ti's. And yes, RAM prices have blown up = and stayed there due to manufacturing shortages, supposedly.=C2=A0

I am currently rocking a machine I built with the core i7 = 7900X, 4x 1080ti, 128 GB RAM for similar workflows and it does great. I wil= l say avoid Asus motherboards for now, they can have issues
-Tedd= y=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM Robert & Jenny <AE-List@media-motion.= tv> wrote:

I tend to make my own systems but one that seems to be getting a lot of attention recently due to GreyscaleGorilla's upgrade is AMD's Threadripper.

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - Robert H

On 2/7/2019 7:34 AM, Byron Nash wrote:
=20
Just trying to get the best we can afford! I need to spend closer to $5k for this to work.=C2=A0

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:31 A= M Elliot Steele <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Do you need the best of the best? The newest, cutting edge machine?

I decided a while ago to accept a slightly lower/slower spec in exchange for ridiculous savings and went the refurb route.

If I wanted to buy a new workstation now, I'd go for a HP Z820 or Z840 with dual Xeons, at least 128 GB of RAM and a good Quadro card. As a refurb it runs around =E2=82=AC1400.

Compared to a brand new top-end beast at around =E2=82=AC10k it makes more sense for me.

Cheers

Elliot

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On 2/7/19 3:25 PM, Byron Nash wrote:
I'm buying another workstation for a new hire. The prices on some of the components have either exploded or new options have come out. Our current machines have i7 3 ghZ CPU's, 1080 ti GPU's, and 12= 8GB RAM. The 1080's are no longer available at reasonable prices. I have one vendor quoting a XEON CPU and a Quadro. But I'm also looking at RTX 20 series GPU's= and i9's. I don't have unlimited budget. These boxes wi= ll get used for mostly AE and some C4D/Redshift.=C2=A0

My question is, given similar price points, would you take a XEON over a i7/9 and a Quadro over a RTX?=C2= =A0



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