From: "Chris Zwar" Received: from mail-it1-f176.google.com ([209.85.166.176] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7247923 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 21 Feb 2019 04:55:43 +0100 Received: by mail-it1-f176.google.com with SMTP id e24so6783160itl.1 for ; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 20:06:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chriszwar-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=IzN68rngoRwvajdV4gMcUW1oE4k90L7FwU1aE5J2mlk=; b=JNGFJ+0fh391c5t+GAIP/IBPyV3d2m5b7lBjVi5EWV5Gf7tSVo0VeEeG6eUPVqvY7s 8JyEvcEEeI0YpKLgbyiaSyMwQ3yr9gQcTqzaABM7MZCBQG5z2pXTudGAiGhth0LjyTEJ gmt+/94LWWx0KkHpV/AVJZR1ca4bFRgblhGftT+ou6DtoDsJzuXimr7MatPXftXNZLTy OfO4e1vUCpT0SjbwGvYrdkxCKy7z/Le9YkJYIbh05PYrW4ShEj23st9jutnF/P4ElpKq 1Dm9BEQzjc+k7K0zTCYDNnbJ6pM7pOteJOIZRWhEP1v/pHR5VVmYRJf7sm47Q1yiONu9 DsBA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=IzN68rngoRwvajdV4gMcUW1oE4k90L7FwU1aE5J2mlk=; b=o6iT8n8l97Ujr3E0nPuVjltTodCBAlDqo9Ngz1nKi34z9/CWY6bFgdJ5DoNA+fTNnT RsV0uH4oVgQRlmFM7bF7E3G0xlLJbdbodffRFkI5ZyaR8n+UW19Wb9M7zyGduStOiM5/ h3H5Td7oT3d94/M4dSPXPswX0Nu4GgAVBNFs35MJ1bE/DLZ2UklzcQERT9toln+WujG4 PWd/o/1BpLa3y6ZbDHaGKQ3wqnuFqI7XEmskL3jycrci2ytI2SE4eJHSxCZltM44eqR7 chhiZu6Cx+SN0UVlgEo687I3UyP313VnM/COtCGWO9wFZYHGsXSuhxz1pbPHhdlRFvLj FNxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuYRtcVbFYQLWvSaQTaz8N7R2QdlWZ/Li5v1bfXoAYrHZqPWjUdM JrotHWbA+Tq3ziRtO+s7Hn7xCAVHWiUrgfxu5uduDTfo X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IaIgKlMZzNLEh8ii5GBOE7o/Kfl6rz/skbXwUhURTDSEvYxaf3V9PWve2iKcBqDgayz7j07MiT9oCHk5D3v11o= X-Received: by 2002:a24:5015:: with SMTP id m21mr6537133itb.2.1550721981145; Wed, 20 Feb 2019 20:06:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2019 15:06:10 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Visually lossless codec thoughts To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d5004105825f981d" --000000000000d5004105825f981d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stephen what artefacts are you getting @ 100% quality? I've always thought - after being directly told by an Apple engineer - that JPEG at 100% was practically lossless, and any differences were due to rounding errors and not compression artefacts. On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 at 13:33, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: > Teddy, > > > > PhotoJPEG was a fail =E2=80=93 color & gamma shift, artifacts at 100% qua= lity. > > > > Stephen > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:59 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Visually lossless codec thoughts > > > > Did you try photo-jpeg in an mov? Definitely worth a test. > > > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:48 AM Stephen van Vuuren < > AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote: > > X264 lossless and x265 are both fails. X264 at 10-bit, AE says is 8-bit. > X265 take 10x time to render out in Media Encoder and takes an unknown ti= me > (at least 100x) to build a frame. I gave up after 11 hours =E2=80=93 ever= y other > codec was 14 to 22 minutes a frame. > > > > Adobe and x265 simply don=E2=80=99t play in my experience. > > > > *From:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:57 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Visually lossless codec thoughts > > > > x264 has lossless compression methods and can also be 10bit. > > AfterCodec has support for 10bit and YUV 4:4:4, not the lossless mode as > far as i can see, but a high bitrate x264 should be better than the old > simpler DCT based Prores or DNxHR at comparable bitrates > > > > Now the question is if AE will import them correctly again. > > > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Encode/H.264 > > > > Robert > > > > > > Den ons. 20. feb. 2019 kl. 09.08 skrev Evan Fotis Georgoulakis < > AE-List@media-motion.tv>: > > Personally I have the opposite experience, with Prores producing about > 20% larger files than same flavor Cineform. I tried CFYUV10bit. > > On 20-Feb-19 01:07, Teddy Gage wrote: > > Chris AFAIK cineform files are even bigger than Prores at the same > > flavor. > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > -- > > _____________________________ > > Teddy Gage > > President > > Shotgun Inc. > > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > > BKLYN NY 11215 > --000000000000d5004105825f981d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stephen what artefacts are you getting=C2=A0@ 100% quality= ?=C2=A0 I've always thought - after being directly told by an Apple eng= ineer - that JPEG at 100% was practically lossless, and any differences wer= e due to rounding errors and not compression artefacts.

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 = at 13:33, Stephen van Vuuren <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Teddy,

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PhotoJPEG was a fail =E2=80=93 color & gamma shi= ft, artifacts at 100% quality.

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Stephen

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From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:59 AM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Visually lossless codec thoughts

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Did you try photo-jpeg in an mov? Definitely worth a= test.

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On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:48 AM Stephen van Vuuren = <AE-List@me= dia-motion.tv> wrote:

X264 lossless and x265 are both fails. X264 at 10-bi= t, AE says is 8-bit. X265 take 10x time to render out in Media Encoder and = takes an unknown time (at least 100x) to build a frame. I gave up after 11 hours =E2=80=93 every other codec was 14 to 22 minutes = a frame.

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Adobe and x265 simply don=E2=80=99t play in my exper= ience.

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From: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 5:57 AM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] Visually lossless codec thoughts

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x264 has lossless compression methods and can also b= e 10bit.

AfterCodec has support for 10bit and YUV 4:4:4, not = the lossless mode as far as i can see, but a high bitrate x264 should be be= tter than the old simpler DCT based Prores or DNxHR at comparable bitrates

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Now the question is if AE will import them correctly= again.

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Robert

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Den ons. 20. feb. 2019 kl. 09.08 skrev Evan Fotis Ge= orgoulakis <AE-List@media-motion.tv>:

Personally I have the opposite experience, with Pror= es producing about
20% larger files than same flavor Cineform. I tried CFYUV10bit.

On 20-Feb-19 01:07, Teddy Gage wrote:
> Chris AFAIK cineform files are even bigger than Prores at the same > flavor.


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