From: "Teddy Gage" Received: from mail-ot1-f42.google.com ([209.85.210.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7248520 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 16:09:33 +0100 Received: by mail-ot1-f42.google.com with SMTP id v20so2131281otk.7 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:20:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fcDxMC0d56vUU3osGaWLQ09fJlrR4UPuCld1RG5vzPk=; b=Ef8s4h7OmHUDUqFB65nZP2VTYYIMs/WUjmChZMXilifsTJYkjqg6VyRAfaPYSf3sgO yCwsEhlZMX8B1bv8fARJiIyUf4aZTCm1/meeEah6YSJddQrzY2XYbatBOeSNYV9lFU5e KYvseogO0ADBRfmYzvQOEjGg0TTod9ITgmgljlboWaJj4UvC52A3pxUE45/kOwLvExIJ cx5LGQa/k5iEakAN0JY51z77GXXnfT/qYi1rl7367Xh/Aat8dKRoWWFs4PqoxHqL6tjt plEc/W2mQwc8UaVdUbWIepzDr3uWpWm5b9qL26sPyAY2wX9y9Wi9rDr9455BAFTRetC8 4xPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fcDxMC0d56vUU3osGaWLQ09fJlrR4UPuCld1RG5vzPk=; b=NgmXebvBIF4ZqJ3KdJ5wNcQVJo9K/J7JyKGuSGBSBUihA2no1asSTk/f4egWKv3yrb I0UAchoTItWv90ZItQG3zchKCBylG0ya9brPlIH43LI7EC8Zw8khC/6VReon0lzz66/K 3fJcZZT7pRdWvXoScEaceoY2JvCRIVLJzkSSmmEsZxQ2iWw4e7ptrWi35B94yxQc9gIi 7Ah4OKolXw07nDOVx+gs0KcL8F+EiZzV1OIlt/WBGHon6JZFXCDkoanZhoTuVOk6CviO 5z5aalgC6L9S4kxjQ8S8jYYTbM5DMvkZXJtk31RiftaqiOjQVEOkMuoosbORSnULU2wX Hj5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAuYoyyUdjjGfT1iEE4LPJxHdtPfVw1Q7NXnEKKaLzuHpIQkMJH9W +eW8rxtiDO78NAK1qkDtaSObnxC9N09bV5pYlBoUYA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3IZyjp3ukOCHZ8AGW4UIAOqTYZvH+YEKeFYfCd+ep5cvgvANCey34kyeYltqWRmdL8EACDU2Y94HenSWUVwKXuY= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:69d4:: with SMTP id v20mr3102459oto.41.1550848812796; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:20:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:19:37 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000096511405827d20ce" --00000000000096511405827d20ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, paying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to abandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, with all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't even list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development since 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increased my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minutes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster. But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice much difference. Anyway - I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable the DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than through any external app (AME or pp). On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado wrote: > No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t re= alize it > was the case > > > > Adam Mercado > Owner & Creative Idiot > Influxx Media Production > 714.928.9896 > > Moving Images. For Business > > On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch wrote: > > Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE open. > > -gl > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado > wrote: > >> Thanks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s really= only >> speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could c= arry over >> from AE to PP I suppose. >> >> I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open. I always margined >> it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try an= d compare. >> >> Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can= =E2=80=99t >> remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what version that >> happened >> >> Adam Mercado >> >> >> >> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch wrote= : >> >> The integration is better on later versions (Although I have recently >> discovered a bug in 2018). >> >> As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is closed. >> Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :) >> >> -gl >> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado >> wrote: >> >>> I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice before, bu= t in >>> light of the great Optimized System post that was up recently I wondere= d if >>> there were any best practices for getting the most out of DL >>> >>> I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recen= t >>> versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to wha= t I like and >>> what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year old= software, >>> but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 with DL is = horrible. >>> What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Preview in PP. >>> >>> So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later >>> editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL p= erformance >>> if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimizati= on=E2=80=99s >>> that can be done to improve DL performance. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Adam Mercado >>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>> Influxx Media Production >>> 714.928.9896 >>> >>> Moving Images. For Business >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> --=20 _____________________________ Teddy Gage President Shotgun Inc. 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX SHOTGUNPOST.COM BKLYN NY 11215 --00000000000096511405827d20ce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but = as you said, paying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing sa= ys you have to abandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in i= t completely, with all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes sinc= e then. I can't even list them there are so many. I know it's trend= y to hate on AE development since 2014 but many many features that have com= e down the pipe have increased my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects= and master properties alone are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioni= ng lower thirds now takes minutes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it= used to be, and much faster. But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old= hardware, maybe you may not notice much difference.

Anyway -=C2=A0

I still don't use DL quite as= intended - I use it to create the initial comp to the appropriate length i= n AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable the DL in premiere, render out fr= om AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere wit= h the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with the "hack" of closi= ng AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton of time. And= native rendering in AE is much faster than through any external app (AME o= r pp).=C2=A0

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado <<= a href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv">AE-List@media-motion.tv> w= rote:
No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2= =80=99t realize it was the case



Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Produc= tion=C2=A0
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

On Feb= 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Sorry, I meant that PPro = renders slower with AE open.

-gl

On Wed, Feb 20, 20= 19 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thanks George. In= what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s really only speed I=E2=80= =99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could carry over from A= E to PP I suppose.=C2=A0

I did not know about PP renderi= ng faster with AE open. I always margined it might be the opposite for some= reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and compare.=C2=A0

Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I ca= n=E2=80=99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what vers= ion that happened

Adam Mercado


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On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrot= e:

The integra= tion is better on later versions (Although I have recently discovered a bug= in 2018).=C2=A0

As to rendering speed, Premiere will re= nder much faster if AE is closed. Not sure if you have discovered that quic= k win :)

-gl

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM = Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed on= ce or twice before, but in light of the great Optimized System post that wa= s up recently I wondered if there were any best practices for getting the m= ost out of DL

I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recent ve= rsions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what I li= ke and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year = old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 w= ith DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Pr= eview in PP.

So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later editi= ons? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL performanc= e if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimization= =E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL performance.

Thanks

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

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