From: "Warren Heaton" Received: from mr85p00im-zteg06021601.me.com ([17.58.23.187] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7248542 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:11:35 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=me.com; s=04042017; t=1550852535; bh=/iq6Aa3OUp4YMIK2QtU+0jWYQ3IWwUgnunMborCIzU4=; h=From:Content-Type:Mime-Version:Date:Subject:Message-Id:To; b=5OSmJCc7Fop6VWKLZRAq0/YF4bnPgj+F+nsiwr1H6tYZufaJAwA2I1gYta7ppCB/o wGsBUvCk2LRmDrmWnIKPq8h6/sfxJdAq7AuiQAqqpST1Lat94Z+ocTdQHYNiIvZC16 G3wMAligUfGBpurfWENF8aL5fa2e6bS4qJwgwe+FTm2ye5INuVG8WraPUu2G/0Rw0t PWldQIaP4rqFxGRefHt1m98wZz8P/teaCBqPhnvdTY4vdXy5PwzVbI+GHhWk8rmH9j tyaWuS/6bd/4Aq4B8mMqc3WW0c5rwp3tk6fn4Ro37la28OEckwVQ4QJWXGRXULBirD nncq86v5uRbgA== Received: from [192.168.0.2] (cpe-23-240-229-240.socal.res.rr.com [23.240.229.240]) by mr85p00im-zteg06021601.me.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 197504001B5 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 16:22:15 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7714B996-312F-4838-83E6-C37D542E8961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:22:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice Message-Id: <3ACB7CB3-8431-42E0-BDEA-251079A9851A@me.com> References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D57) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2019-02-22_12:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=2 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1812120000 definitions=main-1902220115 --Apple-Mail-7714B996-312F-4838-83E6-C37D542E8961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Library is includ= ed in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was implemented). I thinks it=E2=80=99= s made a noticeable difference working with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pr= o. =20 I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: if upgrading= from CC2014, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D when i= nstalling CC2018 or CC2019. -Warren Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 > Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, pay= ing $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to ab= andon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, with= all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't eve= n list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development s= ince 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increased= my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone ar= e indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minute= s vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster. But= I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice mu= ch difference. >=20 > Anyway -=20 >=20 > I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial co= mp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable the D= L in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. Ren= dering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with the= "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton o= f time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than through any external a= pp (AME or pp).=20 >=20 >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado w= rote: >> No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t re= alize it was the case >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Adam Mercado >> Owner & Creative Idiot >> Influxx Media Production=20 >> 714.928.9896 >>=20 >> Moving Images. For Business >>=20 >>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch wrote= : >>>=20 >>> Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE open. >>>=20 >>> -gl >>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado w= rote: >>>> Thanks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s reall= y only speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff coul= d carry over from AE to PP I suppose.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open. I always margine= d it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and c= ompare.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can=E2= =80=99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what version t= hat happened >>>>=20 >>>> Adam Mercado >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch wro= te: >>>>>=20 >>>>> The integration is better on later versions (Although I have recently d= iscovered a bug in 2018).=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is close= d. Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :) >>>>>=20 >>>>> -gl >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado wrote: >>>>>> I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice before, b= ut in light of the great Optimized System post that was up recently I wonder= ed if there were any best practices for getting the most out of DL >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most rec= ent versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what= I like and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 y= ear old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC1= 4 with DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to P= review in PP.=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later= editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL perfo= rmance if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimiza= tion=E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL performance. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Adam Mercado >>>>>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>>>>> Influxx Media Production=20 >>>>>> 714.928.9896 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > --=20 > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7714B996-312F-4838-83E6-C37D542E8961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 o= r CC2018 the AE Library is included in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was im= plemented).  I thinks it=E2=80=99s made a noticeable difference working= with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pro.  

I don=E2=80= =99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: if upgrading from CC201= 4, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D when installing C= C2018 or CC2019.



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On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage <<= a href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv">AE-List@media-motion.tv> wr= ote:

Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, pay= ing $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to ab= andon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, with= all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't eve= n list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development s= ince 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increased= my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone ar= e indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minute= s vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster. But= I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice mu= ch difference.

Anyway - 

I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial c= omp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable the= DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. R= endering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with t= he "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton= of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than through any externa= l app (AME or pp). 

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mer= cado <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:
No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2= =80=99t realize it was the case



Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production&= nbsp;
= 714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business
Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slow= er with AE open.

-gl

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM A= dam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thanks George. In what ways is DL be= tter integrated? It=E2=80=99s really only speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, alt= hough some blending mode stuff could carry over from AE to PP I suppose.&nbs= p;

I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open.= I always margined it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2= =80=99ll try and compare. 

Also, is AME any fa= ster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can=E2=80=99t remember if I r= ead that AME was multi threaded and at what version that happened

Adam Mercado



On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:= 35 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The integration is better on later versions (= Although I have recently discovered a bug in 2018). 

As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is closed. No= t sure if you have discovered that quick win :)

-gl=

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :
I=E2=80=99m sure= this topic has been addressed once or twice before, but in light of the gre= at Optimized System post that was up recently I wondered if there were any b= est practices for getting the most out of DL

I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recent ver= sions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what I like= and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year old= software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 with D= L is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Preview i= n PP.

So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later editio= ns? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL performance i= f it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimization=E2=80= =99s that can be done to improve DL performance.

Thanks

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

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