From: "Adam Mercado" Received: from purple.birch.relay.mailchannels.net ([23.83.209.150] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7248548 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:55:29 +0100 X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|adam@influxx.com Received: from relay.mailchannels.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4923E5BC1 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:06:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (unknown [100.96.35.41]) (Authenticated sender: dreamhost) by relay.mailchannels.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4699F3E5B8F for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:06:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Sender-Id: dreamhost|x-authsender|adam@influxx.com Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (pop.dreamhost.com [64.90.62.162]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384) by 0.0.0.0:2500 (trex/5.16.3); Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:06:08 +0000 X-MC-Relay: Neutral X-MailChannels-SenderId: dreamhost|x-authsender|adam@influxx.com X-MailChannels-Auth-Id: dreamhost X-Daffy-Daffy: 7e2d38d83cf6ea75_1550855168477_147901804 X-MC-Loop-Signature: 1550855168477:2900675583 X-MC-Ingress-Time: 1550855168476 Received: from pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D427180232 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h=from :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:date :subject:message-id:references:in-reply-to:to; s=influxx.com; bh=xp9fxOsnK3vlo7abbEtVsE+nixc=; b=A+7oaLN44d1saLqYQe9Z9VDRavRt HKeGZHaP3IN0SfQYQMELF5NqeJ6PfKxwb74Qe+sMhWWx1Y6tjG5dJHoXy1LTOEzQ bf/Tdc4FTgR923MVvwp6bpaQt32PU/G7GxCLBtP2sUBvMmTEh3c8tWmrLYRlOCCE eGegcFUTlPf5BCI= Received: from [192.168.1.64] (107-194-133-191.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [107.194.133.191]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by pdx1-sub0-mail-a54.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 776108023B for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:06:07 -0800 (PST) X-DH-BACKEND: pdx1-sub0-mail-a54 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5C99C692-4F99-41E0-B1C4-7928C97B1402 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:06:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: After Effects Mail List X-Mailer: iPad Mail (15G77) X-VR-OUT-STATUS: OK X-VR-OUT-SCORE: -100 X-VR-OUT-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedutddruddtgdellecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfftffgtefojffquffvnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpefhtgfgggffuffkfhgjvffosegrjehmrehhtdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetuggrmhcuofgvrhgtrgguohcuoegruggrmhesihhnfhhluhiggidrtghomheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehshhhothhguhhnphhoshhtrdgtohhmnecukfhppedutdejrdduleegrddufeefrdduledunecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdphhgvlhhopegludelvddrudeikedruddrieegngdpihhnvghtpedutdejrdduleegrddufeefrdduledupdhrvghtuhhrnhdqphgrthhhpeetuggrmhcuofgvrhgtrgguohcuoegruggrmhesihhnfhhluhiggidrtghomheqpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheprggurghmsehinhhflhhugiigrdgtohhmpdhnrhgtphhtthhopeetgfdqnfhishhtsehmvgguihgrqdhmohhtihhonhdrthhvnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd --Apple-Mail-5C99C692-4F99-41E0-B1C4-7928C97B1402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Warren. That what I needed to hear.=20 Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyway, what I meant was that g= ains in hardware have stalled in performance comparing the last 5 years to t= he five years previous to that. Negligible was not the right word, increment= al maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lot more money at hardware to ge= t the increases in performance you got a few years ago. I stand to be correc= ted on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion I=E2=80=99ve formed from reading t= he likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, AEList, etc etc. AM > On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Warren Heaton wrote= : >=20 > For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Library is incl= uded in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was implemented). I thinks it=E2=80=99= s made a noticeable difference working with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pr= o. =20 >=20 > I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: if upgradi= ng from CC2014, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D whe= n installing CC2018 or CC2019. >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Warren >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>=20 >> Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, pa= ying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to a= bandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, wit= h all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't ev= en list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development= since 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increas= ed my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone a= re indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minut= es vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster. Bu= t I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice m= uch difference. >>=20 >> Anyway -=20 >>=20 >> I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial c= omp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable the= DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. R= endering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with t= he "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton= of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than through any externa= l app (AME or pp).=20 >>=20 >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado w= rote: >>> No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t r= ealize it was the case >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Adam Mercado >>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>> Influxx Media Production=20 >>> 714.928.9896 >>>=20 >>> Moving Images. For Business >>>=20 >>>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch wrot= e: >>>>=20 >>>> Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE open. >>>>=20 >>>> -gl >>>>=20 >>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado = wrote: >>>>> Thanks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s real= ly only speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff cou= ld carry over from AE to PP I suppose.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open. I always margin= ed it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and= compare.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can= =E2=80=99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what versio= n that happened >>>>>=20 >>>>> Adam Mercado >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch wr= ote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> The integration is better on later versions (Although I have recently= discovered a bug in 2018).=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is clos= ed. Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :) >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -gl >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado wrote: >>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice before,= but in light of the great Optimized System post that was up recently I wond= ered if there were any best practices for getting the most out of DL >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most re= cent versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to wha= t I like and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 y= ear old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC1= 4 with DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to P= review in PP.=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with late= r editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL perf= ormance if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimiz= ation=E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL performance. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Adam Mercado >>>>>>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>>>>>> Influxx Media Production=20 >>>>>>> 714.928.9896 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> _____________________________ >> Teddy Gage >> President >> Shotgun Inc. >> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >> BKLYN NY 11215 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-5C99C692-4F99-41E0-B1C4-7928C97B1402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Warren. That what I needed to hear.&= nbsp;

Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyway= , what I meant was that gains in hardware have stalled in performance compar= ing the last 5 years to the five years previous to that. Negligible was not t= he right word, incremental maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lot more= money at hardware to get the increases in performance you got a few years a= go. I stand to be corrected on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion I=E2=80=99= ve formed from reading the likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, AEList, etc etc.
=

AM

On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Warren Heato= n <AE-List@media-motion.tv= > wrote:

For what it=E2=80=99s w= orth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Library is included in Premiere Pro (I f= orget when it was implemented).  I thinks it=E2=80=99s made a noticeabl= e difference working with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pro.  

=
I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: i= f upgrading from CC2014, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80= =9D when installing CC2018 or CC2019.



-Warren



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Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19= AM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media= -motion.tv> wrote:

Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways,= but as you said, paying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothin= g says you have to abandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working i= n it completely, with all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes si= nce then. I can't even list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to ha= te on AE development since 2014 but many many features that have come down t= he pipe have increased my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and mast= er properties alone are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower t= hirds now takes minutes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be= , and much faster. But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe= you may not notice much difference.

Anyway - <= /div>

I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it t= o create the initial comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in asse= ts. Then I disable the DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip= back into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is incred= ibly slow, even with the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered y= ou're gonna save a ton of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster th= an through any external app (AME or pp). 

On Wed, Feb 20, 201= 9 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado <AE= -List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
No you had it right the first time. I m= istyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t realize it was the case

<= br>
Adam Mercado
= Owner & Creative Id= iot
In= fluxx Media Production 
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business
<= div>
On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=

Sorry, I meant= that PPro renders slower with AE open.

-gl
On Wed, Fe= b 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thanks George= . In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s really only speed I=E2=80= =99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could carry over from AE= to PP I suppose. 

I did not know about PP rendering= faster with AE open. I always margined it might be the opposite for some re= ason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and compare. 

Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can=E2=80= =99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what version that= happened

Adam Mercado



On= Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The integration is bette= r on later versions (Although I have recently discovered a bug in 2018).&nbs= p;

As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faste= r if AE is closed. Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :)

-gl

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado <<= a href=3D"mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv" target=3D"_blank">AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice before, bu= t in light of the great Optimized System post that was up recently I wondere= d if there were any best practices for getting the most out of DL

I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recent ver= sions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what I like= and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year old= software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 with D= L is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Preview i= n PP.

So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later editio= ns? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL performance i= f it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimization=E2=80= =99s that can be done to improve DL performance.

Thanks

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

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