From: "Adam Mercado" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 09:37:22 -0800
Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice
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Ah thanks Jim. So very similar to what Teddy was talking about. Interesting y=
ou talk about name bars, as that was the thing I was hitting a wall with in m=
y current project. A very basic name bar that renders in seconds in AE takes=
 an eon to preview via DL in PP.=20

I will put my CC18 UI biases aside and test the DL implementation over the w=
eekend

Thanks
AM


> On Feb 22, 2019, at 9:32 AM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
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> No, Adam.  Sorry if I was confusing.  Here=E2=80=99s my standard use of DL=
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> 1. Select clips in Pr for Ae treatment and choose =E2=80=9CMake After Effe=
cts Composition.=E2=80=9D
> 2. Do my voodoo in Ae, and render using RenderGarden.
> 3. Import rendered files into Pr and replace the DL-ed clip in the origina=
ting Pr Sequence.
> 4. To make changes, just do them in Ae, and over-write the existing output=
 file, and it updates in Pr. (Just don=E2=80=99t switch to Pr while it=E2=80=
=99s rendering, AND make sure the Pr CTI isn=E2=80=99t on the clip being re-=
rendered.)
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> That=E2=80=99s for Ae Comps that take a while to render.  A good example i=
s when I use an Ai file from MapResources that has 20 or 30 layers of vector=
s that take a pretty long time to render.
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> I keep some of my DL-ed clips as DL-ed clips in Pr if they=E2=80=99re the k=
ind that render quickly, such as for name keys.
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> Jim
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>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrot=
e:
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>> Jim, are you saying RenderGarden speeds up DL use? I=E2=80=99m not sure I=
 follow your thought on that. Also, is CC18 pretty stable/useable/efficient r=
egarding DL use in your experience. If it=E2=80=99s been broken in CC19 then=
 I=E2=80=99ll steer clear but maybe I=E2=80=99ll give CC18 another look if y=
ou reckon it=E2=80=99s worth it
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>> Adam Mercado
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>> Moving Images. For Business
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>>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:58 AM, Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:=

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>>> I also use DL the way you describe here for my render-intensive Ae Comps=
, and for those I use RenderGarden, which renders about 4-6x faster than Ae a=
lone, in my experience.
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>>> But, for the most part for name supers and simple (fast rendering) GFX i=
n Pr, I=E2=80=99ve come to depend on DL, which has gotten less stable with C=
C19, in my experience.  So much so that I=E2=80=99m sticking with CC18 for l=
arge projects, and clients who give me lots of projects, and CC19 for one-of=
fs from =E2=80=9Cseldom=E2=80=9D clients.  A Pr Project downgrader I found o=
n the web has become invaluable, after I run into road blocks in Pr CC 19.
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>>> If I=E2=80=99m going to need a lot of Mocha, I=E2=80=99ll do those in Ae=
 CC19, and render out to import into Pr CC18.
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>>> Teddy, you=E2=80=99re the first =E2=80=9Cadvanced user=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99=
ve noticed who uses Essential Graphics.  I inherited a project from a beginn=
er, all of whose graphics were VideoHive templates.  The Text Tool in Pr wil=
l continue to suck as long as they keep that ridiculous method of kerning th=
at takes forever.  I don=E2=80=99t know why Adobe can=E2=80=99t make their T=
ype tools consistent between all their apps.
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>>>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 9:19 AM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote=
:
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>>>> Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, p=
aying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to a=
bandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, wit=
h all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't ev=
en list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development=
 since 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increas=
ed my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone a=
re indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minut=
es vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster. Bu=
t I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice m=
uch difference.
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>>>> I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial=
 comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable t=
he DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into Premiere.=
 Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with=
 the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a t=
on of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than through any exter=
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