From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic307-9.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.134.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7248570 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 18:41:47 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1550857947; bh=1axE0PRTDuej3gWFzzIYomYyEZLwSZtZewbnXO8nfb0=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=XDruSsCrlfY4Xp1Yw/wotx6+vnkIvU++wQ0gmRV7zjVL7Yv/98/ppl2Gl5saBS13lh16o9x2+d93mfeyMxtA+/epBEzky3bh1Dtbyia219rRNkRZ8jCeML0C+7811JOjXVlZI9XGLj/r1r3GEDG2pMZfjsTJBnE/KxYKkr2hN3+qoeNcAgQEJCwvJWh8t2V27dtW6cjA3mpXcA+ipRCb32E/Ql7c4kK9+VhCW13zGCcQHU783iqb5kht5Kz+4JZdasX1NImxu+UGnUmcnW9XsaVPzliST0JwaVs+6g9/JmcM4N9qvqJIC90HFbl81/Qz7JMnBstP4tKphYcwx3P13g== X-YMail-OSG: Oqsqg7gVM1mb.AyJz54bvEK6QIErmcMXrkidYQakDRndBlKqMsUNlM7X1q_1RLA u66nWcvp7_K5zSJXWIeZphR9QImfOLdAmRCyTE.dbtE1OWyy.hazcQgD4iKlkmrg3AwdVUJG41Hw itsladMMX1zJfB3OoRB8zJuHjKOUxjqYTCFDRepN6rlrQfIWiEK2SgGJ_hSFDIpiFNAL1mA2W1TV MZznPMObL97iZ3jW2nbL0WgG.Gasu.YozQXQihvwj7Or9gyHoycHhq87UvJmGT9PWuKXzmLs9zPb buKvApT3ib1oNAk4e_aQEKmQJXEAL8M5XsM6FK7h3jQcP9wHNiWna_mfUPjRzqGgIPsfecVBvweb KrYOS9yOuz1g.1erNFDjectNN6V4gPQiEHfDrYkCVqVqXpd9kJoFC0gBKDhwTvtyw.MzE56VNb6o 2ziZPO6amvFHtLot8BqYR5PenKe4C6KnS_.0IW4jErZaOPGsf_SgbTVESu2Cfu3uxqQT6wg3.nif Y6y77CKGT_Lzxwr6HlSqsPgaj0I4I6oFcg1boSXgeyqkv2Tm8BQqDB0u3o5ll3dJy7xvKk.O0Fsl fj6Zz.gBs2oOnyf3D.DpZichxCiDIvCnGnGoIm61QLlCwf9UcPiqahTBUNrjrULRjX4VZ91Rgcp9 PcLm5kupm.CoM1qx0yI_BCqkcjpC0iE2.LYd6SHT6Rq7NazSbJ5mvfl4rFJm7lZW3s3mbnuZB6XV _oZcQfGTNQS.aDxQ7YsF3K6F8qdMt4hzhqs_AjwZyCOs4r9papr2QjMW.fcWaNo2FRLpZPP78Uqq NKQn.iVU66EU4X8xrM.kc9Hqf4Z3THIqM7304bkvNKydY4u_4rdgZplPuOyjzlY_4BRbsaCC2z0d 7Y3UnNmyjdfL.awLs8.DL3d7fh3REedXNgoLaW23Mzon5sjpG9zf8npy7kHLoqWt.b1uaFxrcLMj aoJH.UvObGOOIsSArsdPTSgz55Hzsomjz_NVo6OM6asl23A167ZPFfuLYp5k.WmVm27mT43PzIAG kWgg8rrlBenKbNo8cIpSK64_aUCjje44k0jfM0IKsBOVYVyZi8rbyVAhpL.xxrQuBv5_BoqZwAsM RR7SplQmkYOWus6o- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic307.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:52:27 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp418.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 4b666eedaee2600fd40fac3000f488e1 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 17:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BBF696F4-9885-440A-A91E-E8118B44400E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 11:52:22 -0600 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_BBF696F4-9885-440A-A91E-E8118B44400E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve been working on a maxed out 2012 MacPro5,1, but have found = significant gains in Pr by upgrading my GPU to the biggest and baddest, = the Titan X. Most of my work is in Pr, and a CUDA GPU makes a big = difference. I wonder how much, if anything is gained by rendering DL-ed Ae Comps in = Pr, but my guess is =E2=80=9Cnot much, if any.=E2=80=9D That=E2=80=99s = due to the fact that Adobe vaunts CUDA for rendering CUDA accelerated = effects and H.264 export, and not everything. On my wish list is that Adobe and all third-party vendors would make = their effects CUDA hardware accelerated. And, any other GPU vendor, = FTM. I=E2=80=99ve read that Open CL and Metal are still works in = progress in OSX. True? > On Feb 22, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Adam Mercado = wrote: >=20 > Thanks Warren. That what I needed to hear.=20 >=20 > Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyway, what I meant was = that gains in hardware have stalled in performance comparing the last 5 = years to the five years previous to that. Negligible was not the right = word, incremental maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lot more = money at hardware to get the increases in performance you got a few = years ago. I stand to be corrected on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion = I=E2=80=99ve formed from reading the likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, = AEList, etc etc. >=20 > AM >=20 > On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Warren Heaton > wrote: >=20 >> For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Library is = included in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was implemented). I thinks = it=E2=80=99s made a noticeable difference working with AE Comps directly = in Premiere Pro. =20 >>=20 >> I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: if = upgrading from CC2014, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old = versions=E2=80=9D when installing CC2018 or CC2019. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> -Warren >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 >> On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage > wrote: >>=20 >>> Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you = said, paying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says = you have to abandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in = it completely, with all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes = since then. I can't even list them there are so many. I know it's trendy = to hate on AE development since 2014 but many many features that have = come down the pipe have increased my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated = effects and master properties alone are indispensable to my workflow = now. Versioning lower thirds now takes minutes vs. hours. DL is much = more stable than it used to be, and much faster. But I guess if you're = also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not notice much difference. >>>=20 >>> Anyway -=20 >>>=20 >>> I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the = initial comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then = I disable the DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back = into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is = incredibly slow, even with the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is = pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton of time. And native rendering in AE = is much faster than through any external app (AME or pp).=20 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado = > wrote: >>> No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t= realize it was the case >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Adam Mercado >>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>> Influxx Media Production=20 >>> 714.928.9896 >>>=20 >>> Moving Images. For Business >>>=20 >>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch > wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE open. >>>>=20 >>>> -gl >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado = > wrote: >>>> Thanks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s = really only speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode = stuff could carry over from AE to PP I suppose.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open. I always = margined it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll= try and compare.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I = can=E2=80=99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what = version that happened >>>>=20 >>>> Adam Mercado >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> The integration is better on later versions (Although I have = recently discovered a bug in 2018).=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is = closed. Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :) >>>>>=20 >>>>> -gl >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado = > wrote: >>>>> I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice = before, but in light of the great Optimized System post that was up = recently I wondered if there were any best practices for getting the = most out of DL >>>>>=20 >>>>> I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most = recent versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck = to what I like and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying = monthly for 5 year old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And = my experience in CC14 with DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to = render, takes an hour to Preview in PP.=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with = later editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better = DL performance if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or = settings optimization=E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL = performance. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks >>>>>=20 >>>>> Adam Mercado >>>>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>>>> Influxx Media Production=20 >>>>> 714.928.9896 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to > >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> _____________________________ >>> Teddy Gage >>> President >>> Shotgun Inc. >>> 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX >>> SHOTGUNPOST.COM >>> BKLYN NY 11215 >>>=20 --Apple-Mail=_BBF696F4-9885-440A-A91E-E8118B44400E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I=E2=80=99ve been working on a maxed out 2012 MacPro5,1, but = have found significant gains in Pr by upgrading my GPU to the biggest = and baddest, the Titan X.  Most of my work is in Pr, and a CUDA GPU = makes a big difference.

I = wonder how much, if anything is gained by rendering DL-ed Ae Comps in = Pr, but my guess is =E2=80=9Cnot much, if any.=E2=80=9D That=E2=80=99s = due to the fact that Adobe vaunts CUDA for rendering CUDA accelerated = effects and H.264 export, and not everything.

On my wish list is that Adobe and all third-party = vendors would make their effects CUDA hardware accelerated.  And, = any other GPU vendor, FTM.  I=E2=80=99ve read that Open CL and = Metal are still works in progress in OSX.  True?


On Feb 22, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Adam Mercado = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Thanks Warren. That what I = needed to hear. 

Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyway, what I = meant was that gains in hardware have stalled in performance comparing = the last 5 years to the five years previous to that. Negligible was not = the right word, incremental maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lot = more money at hardware to get the increases in performance you got a few = years ago. I stand to be corrected on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion = I=E2=80=99ve formed from reading the likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, = AEList, etc etc.

AM

On Feb 22, = 2019, at 8:22 AM, Warren Heaton <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or = CC2018 the AE Library is included in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was = implemented).  I thinks it=E2=80=99s made a noticeable difference = working with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pro.  

I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has = been mentioned or not yet: if upgrading from CC2014, be sure to disable = =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D when installing CC2018 or = CC2019.



-Warren












Sent = from my iPhone

On Feb = 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Adam, clearly I will not get you = to change your ways, but as you said, paying $50 / month for 5 year old = software is nuts. Nothing says you have to abandon 2014, but I literally = could not imagine working in it completely, with all the advancements = and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't even list them there = are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development since 2014 but = many many features that have come down the pipe have increased my = productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone = are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes = minutes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much = faster. But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you = may not notice much difference.

Anyway - 

I still don't use DL quite as intended = - I use it to create the initial comp to the appropriate length in AE, = and bring in assets. Then I disable the DL in premiere, render out from = AE and bring the clip back into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere = with the AE engine is incredibly slow, even with the "hack" of closing = AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're gonna save a ton of time. And = native rendering in AE is much faster than through any external app (AME = or pp). 

On Wed, Feb = 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
No you = had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t realize = it was the case



Adam Mercado
Owner & = Creative Idiot
Influxx Media = Production 
714.928.9896

Moving Images. = For Business

On Feb 20, = 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE = open.

-gl

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam = Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Thanks = George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s really only = speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could = carry over from AE to PP I suppose. 

I did not know about PP rendering = faster with AE open. I always margined it might be the opposite for some = reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and compare. 

Also, is AME any faster = for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can=E2=80=99t remember if I = read that AME was multi threaded and at what version that happened

Adam = Mercado



On = Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

The integration is better on later versions = (Although I have recently discovered a bug in 2018). 

As to rendering speed, = Premiere will render much faster if AE is closed. Not sure if you have = discovered that quick win :)

-gl

On Wed, Feb = 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been = addressed once or twice before, but in light of the great Optimized = System post that was up recently I wondered if there were any best = practices for getting the most out of DL

I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recent = versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what = I like and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for = 5 year old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience = in CC14 with DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes = an hour to Preview in PP.

So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later = editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL = performance if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings = optimization=E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL performance.

Thanks

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

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