From: "Brian Higgins" Received: from mail-pl1-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7248580 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:00:31 +0100 Received: by mail-pl1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 101so1435749pld.6 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:11:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flavor-tv.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=3GlFC+3/J2uyWCxFXENIq5LePD3Djq3Gj9X/s5Xxzt4=; b=OOcYrJ1hvg//vk3KqddLxYcF8K8WyKqU4+Z2uTFB5BGtpnICy2gC58Z97SDQPt452g FZKBBaLll7OwRNXvImTKrtPCu1whHO5Yx/N3Kwz3T9wRv0brGDq/F0v7JYKSQSQZcqJO CMZ3T6vDdXQJXarfXaJbq7qT0g2fQrF0Joj+tcenm3yegf/wR3VjLA3rmEXDszg9FnYs rr23f72vi0JvFFC64Uea0ZDGCq1+lugiXTF1LKobz1zmhcfhn7gW8RXuvFQ0xTczKupd 1e6Dj5DHp/EM8HIEfm1e0oSSzo1I4s+qrVn7YPVt68fk5aNP8nYqL9S0h3enMWS+rua4 +fow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=3GlFC+3/J2uyWCxFXENIq5LePD3Djq3Gj9X/s5Xxzt4=; b=gdQaVzf+vO3Li+bzE5ywV6NKNxLWllKnp24/oEIf/Qz5NxzDUcEG+SPylOaKcNVyZW IB3z6p1TwDXPCQYCIqprEwY8WZq0n8I+Rwsq7S5wtYtF+Vhw1t+ohkSoaTrjvkFvuc3x SJTtzr7IQPFqD3bCqvMIZtxaGpaBctGu98ZuFY0mitxvFWWEjXYmz3Uv3TBsr86Z6xxW hNO6OJit/ehCPlUq+YkMm4LUbtDQ7itNePr5kkLTDilixKrIatqU0bR6e02gJFvlza1u 5SJYiYcaXLPrqyvBH94WPxhysEiZVHOs19AsHlN1OF7pZjJ5JqCBD/hIf6xW3tTK9mUX SCNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AHQUAub6c82YoMqzCgHlRLT4sW7J4nqcq1kRrsDs1YEmC7FmK1WOuEGg 4aPnXj4IOZkbifDKQe6tBDtoHwbsivZ3W3lvUeOh2CE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AHgI3Ib4ojjy3v+iu4G3fw2zoBJS+hQR98zvYZbjx4aLTPm/3iGgEk76i2voYjXWjYzj/FKF3aaaBkev4Q6xTqRxd5g= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:46a4:: with SMTP id p33mr5474645pld.48.1550859070951; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:11:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 12:11:03 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Dynamic Link Best Practice To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000056e5005827f843e" --000000000000056e5005827f843e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is CUDA even supported on Mac hardware going forward? Apple seems to have an institutional hatred for Nvidia, unfortunately. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:52 AM Jim Curtis wrote= : > I=E2=80=99ve been working on a maxed out 2012 MacPro5,1, but have found > significant gains in Pr by upgrading my GPU to the biggest and baddest, t= he > Titan X. Most of my work is in Pr, and a CUDA GPU makes a big difference= . > > I wonder how much, if anything is gained by rendering DL-ed Ae Comps in > Pr, but my guess is =E2=80=9Cnot much, if any.=E2=80=9D That=E2=80=99s du= e to the fact that Adobe > vaunts CUDA for rendering CUDA accelerated effects and H.264 export, and > not everything. > > On my wish list is that Adobe and all third-party vendors would make thei= r > effects CUDA hardware accelerated. And, any other GPU vendor, FTM. I=E2= =80=99ve > read that Open CL and Metal are still works in progress in OSX. True? > > > On Feb 22, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Adam Mercado > wrote: > > Thanks Warren. That what I needed to hear. > > Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyway, what I meant was tha= t > gains in hardware have stalled in performance comparing the last 5 years = to > the five years previous to that. Negligible was not the right word, > incremental maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lot more money at > hardware to get the increases in performance you got a few years ago. I > stand to be corrected on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion I=E2=80=99ve = formed from > reading the likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, AEList, etc etc. > > AM > > On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, Warren Heaton > wrote: > > For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Library is inc= luded in > Premiere Pro (I forget when it was implemented). I thinks it=E2=80=99s m= ade a > noticeable difference working with AE Comps directly in Premiere Pro. > > I don=E2=80=99t remember if this has been mentioned or not yet: if upgrad= ing from > CC2014, be sure to disable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D when ins= talling CC2018 or > CC2019. > > > > -Warren > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > Adam, clearly I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, > paying $50 / month for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have > to abandon 2014, but I literally could not imagine working in it > completely, with all the advancements and improvements and bug fixes sinc= e > then. I can't even list them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hat= e > on AE development since 2014 but many many features that have come down t= he > pipe have increased my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and mast= er > properties alone are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower > thirds now takes minutes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used t= o > be, and much faster. But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, > maybe you may not notice much difference. > > Anyway - > > I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to create the initial > comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Then I disable > the DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back into > Premiere. Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly slo= w, > even with the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-rendered you're > gonna save a ton of time. And native rendering in AE is much faster than > through any external app (AME or pp). > > On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado > wrote: > >> No you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t r= ealize it >> was the case >> >> >> >> Adam Mercado >> Owner & Creative Idiot >> Influxx Media Production >> 714.928.9896 >> >> Moving Images. For Business >> >> On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch wrote= : >> >> Sorry, I meant that PPro renders slower with AE open. >> >> -gl >> >> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s reall= y only >>> speed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could = carry over >>> from AE to PP I suppose. >>> >>> I did not know about PP rendering faster with AE open. I always margine= d >>> it might be the opposite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try a= nd compare. >>> >>> Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic Export? I can= =E2=80=99t >>> remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and at what version that >>> happened >>> >>> Adam Mercado >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch >>> wrote: >>> >>> The integration is better on later versions (Although I have recently >>> discovered a bug in 2018). >>> >>> As to rendering speed, Premiere will render much faster if AE is closed= . >>> Not sure if you have discovered that quick win :) >>> >>> -gl >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been addressed once or twice before, b= ut in >>>> light of the great Optimized System post that was up recently I wonder= ed if >>>> there were any best practices for getting the most out of DL >>>> >>>> I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most rece= nt >>>> versions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to wh= at I like and >>>> what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year ol= d software, >>>> but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 with DL is= horrible. >>>> What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Preview in PP. >>>> >>>> So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later >>>> editions? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL = performance >>>> if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimizat= ion=E2=80=99s >>>> that can be done to improve DL performance. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Adam Mercado >>>> Owner & Creative Idiot >>>> Influxx Media Production >>>> 714.928.9896 >>>> >>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>> >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> >>> > > -- > _____________________________ > Teddy Gage > President > Shotgun Inc. > 360 VR | MOGRAPH | VFX > SHOTGUNPOST.COM > BKLYN NY 11215 > > > --=20 brian higgins | creative director Flavor ny =E2=80=A2 chicago =E2=80=A2 la =E2=80=A2 detroit =E2=80=A2 tokyo 312.706.5500 brian.higgins@flavor.tv flavor.tv --000000000000056e5005827f843e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is CUDA even supported on Mac hardware going forward? Appl= e seems to have an institutional hatred for Nvidia, unfortunately.
On Fri, F= eb 22, 2019 at 11:52 AM Jim Curtis <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I= =E2=80=99ve been working on a maxed out 2012 MacPro5,1, but have found sign= ificant gains in Pr by upgrading my GPU to the biggest and baddest, the Tit= an X.=C2=A0 Most of my work is in Pr, and a CUDA GPU makes a big difference= .

I wonder how much, if anything is gained by render= ing DL-ed Ae Comps in Pr, but my guess is =E2=80=9Cnot much, if any.=E2=80= =9D That=E2=80=99s due to the fact that Adobe vaunts CUDA for rendering CUD= A accelerated effects and H.264 export, and not everything.

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On my wish list is that Adobe and all third-party vendors would m= ake their effects CUDA hardware accelerated.=C2=A0 And, any other GPU vendo= r, FTM.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve read that Open CL and Metal are still works in p= rogress in OSX.=C2=A0 True?


On Feb 22, 2019, at 11:06 AM, Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv= > wrote:

Thanks Warren. That what I needed to hear.= =C2=A0

Teddy, you brought up hardware. Just saying. Anyw= ay, what I meant was that gains in hardware have stalled in performance com= paring the last 5 years to the five years previous to that. Negligible was = not the right word, incremental maybe more accurate. You need to throw a lo= t more money at hardware to get the increases in performance you got a few = years ago. I stand to be corrected on that, it=E2=80=99s just an opinion I= =E2=80=99ve formed from reading the likes of ArsTechnica, Wired, AEList, et= c etc.

AM

On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:22 AM, W= arren Heaton <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

For what it=E2=80=99s worth, as of CC2017 or CC2018 the AE Libra= ry is included in Premiere Pro (I forget when it was implemented).=C2=A0 I = thinks it=E2=80=99s made a noticeable difference working with AE Comps dire= ctly in Premiere Pro. =C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t remember if= this has been mentioned or not yet: if upgrading from CC2014, be sure to d= isable =E2=80=9CRemove old versions=E2=80=9D when installing CC2018 or CC20= 19.



-Warren










=

Sent from my iPhone

On F= eb 22, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Teddy Gage <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Adam, clearl= y I will not get you to change your ways, but as you said, paying $50 / mon= th for 5 year old software is nuts. Nothing says you have to abandon 2014, = but I literally could not imagine working in it completely, with all the ad= vancements and improvements and bug fixes since then. I can't even list= them there are so many. I know it's trendy to hate on AE development s= ince 2014 but many many features that have come down the pipe have increase= d my productivity 10x. GPU accelerated effects and master properties alone = are indispensable to my workflow now. Versioning lower thirds now takes min= utes vs. hours. DL is much more stable than it used to be, and much faster.= But I guess if you're also on 5+ year old hardware, maybe you may not = notice much difference.

Anyway -=C2=A0
I still don't use DL quite as intended - I use it to creat= e the initial comp to the appropriate length in AE, and bring in assets. Th= en I disable the DL in premiere, render out from AE and bring the clip back= into Premiere. Rendering through Premiere with the AE engine is incredibly= slow, even with the "hack" of closing AE. If the clip is pre-ren= dered you're gonna save a ton of time. And native rendering in AE is mu= ch faster than through any external app (AME or pp).=C2=A0

On We= d, Feb 20, 2019 at 10:33 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
No = you had it right the first time. I mistyped. I still didn=E2=80=99t realize= it was the case



Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx= Media Production=C2=A0
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

On Feb 20, 2019, at 6:25 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote= :

Sorry, I mea= nt that PPro renders slower with AE open.

-gl

On We= d, Feb 20, 2019 at 6:55 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
Than= ks George. In what ways is DL better integrated? It=E2=80=99s really only s= peed I=E2=80=99m bothered by, although some blending mode stuff could carry= over from AE to PP I suppose.=C2=A0

I did not know abou= t PP rendering faster with AE open. I always margined it might be the oppos= ite for some reason. Go figure. I=E2=80=99ll try and compare.=C2=A0

Also, is AME any faster for PP renders than just a basic = Export? I can=E2=80=99t remember if I read that AME was multi threaded and = at what version that happened

Adam Mercado


<= /div>

On Feb 20, 2019, at 5:35 PM, George Loch <AE-List@media-motion.tv<= /a>> wrote:


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019= at 1:01 PM Adam Mercado <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:
I=E2=80=99m sure this topic has been = addressed once or twice before, but in light of the great Optimized System = post that was up recently I wondered if there were any best practices for g= etting the most out of DL

I=E2=80=99m still using CC2014 for PP and AE - not tried the most recent ve= rsions, but hated all the prior versions so I=E2=80=99ve stuck to what I li= ke and what works (I=E2=80=99m just stoked to be paying monthly for 5 year = old software, but that=E2=80=99s another rant). And my experience in CC14 w= ith DL is horrible. What takes 10 mins in AE to render, takes an hour to Pr= eview in PP.

So two things, is DL one of the features that got improved with later editi= ons? I=E2=80=99ll trade off the other negatives to get better DL performanc= e if it comes down to that. Also, are there system or settings optimization= =E2=80=99s that can be done to improve DL performance.

Thanks

Adam Mercado
Owner & Creative Idiot
Influxx Media Production
714.928.9896

Moving Images. For Business

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