From: "Jim Curtis" Received: from sonic308-8.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.130.47] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTP id 7258259 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:51:05 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=flash.net; s=s2048; t=1552579346; bh=MmzvaC+d9zup/aDIxl2MkbVs8Q/d0HBpg3Q2iGEFW+0=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:To:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=H32Qc4HlkL2JG+I3v0Em5TRMHmLfYuMy4XA91LSwWzEuCKsuRvQwrMfK+GokyJax6YpuPvKIrtjuqj5tt6iLnB50oHh12tpBcdlgWsAxJByxckgS0eyNT3vR06/P44cUtYB5oNqz7t5alw/lyBxK3OXto7HMX4oT1ihp+bCYmb7BKFfk+GmkDv2+s3Ki6eDoY1v4iljnvNpqTTDEhtFLYjDq4iDqW2FtaTrEhEiACK2XJzyI0moLntdN1Ggg8RViRYSORn2uK2CEZnZlvIdTje/aexTC5p8eKkluyTwsUitaOcDaoldtbz4jrnRm4FSm6JG0rVi+dk+g1E9COmgfkQ== X-YMail-OSG: Aqyc.y0VM1nul0cvxEFQj.OW9ma.lZ8gN_jXPKAYkBO4wHqAvhVDUZtH0NCqUgu JYGRLegsQT9FVOdH0rLHJ0Z58Rhp4fSSMd29mJD.j5iiIYNoag2dgqKr1t2pDN4u5HRwXTouCF2N l8.kxMG2v2UGcaDHGHjNXVgMM8OVXGU6GGlEhMTMNn0a.yxeyKcIoQQzEGPwwx2Doa8b5EikmPkW HUi5yu.VCGbBVsdk3UVXAi6zQNwsh4CyAYbk5bjSHShN_nGUi10rCaMzNh2vVyF0o0zRLNrAQk1q koO5.ptgg3YYTOFOiEGVtKJN6lnHjI3rey86P834gnNJlo1TyX_RPVo_cU8TVhvlHGczsiDOpEGT cE1V0fwew.21Lz3b.TAL9vJwVA50oKg3wvDbONtWTuitgID.Ho5k0k89Ub6HiBFjV9R3soD2M7aw TKoUTpEIkFczWRkXCFiV.c35BhTn57C.KQ63cgGHVjKOZRBxWNfdRBNPyBOvqc.DTtPqu2vm8Qe3 D95Xrnz4xszMd1gXHT33szH6yycdS7XN.HkvLV.DwEd23Cw8UzDxwGa6tFoteX7U.OVa.83gtqYl rU.dFwAA0qp6X7yKn8.QBybzJbEHXvUAbRIgZ7i_jPy3IQtUD3C92J5dyaKatfVIQvOpIDAagWJm mD4zrfsalyO3lJyzz3wYDPJGGV9Men4N6ORdM953EaYzSsb1Uw5D6lkcoVPiaAqxzIelaCo2iYm9 y1zYMfMO3ErF2BOaY8Vty3U_HqNKT1xurMloXAXfDiFFmioYZmywdzhmURFnWO9g09kdPLB9TAXP BcMZTNRFVuv_DdVnyGumQtrQ5fF4XH.nPiMLNHxhwCLWkL1lxaOz7D36jmQLbDFDlohTz9fpLkfb uGKie7SAMR8J1xejLwmmwg3y30j3iehkmkwcayvAFV6foNTSIPVl3mQ7dCd74ybD3k4zH12Oh34v o0anZhtGAzA9fdDc.ON7LaXIRtu0NXVv20f2HQVRHg34b6zejo6LKN5dNDDTxUSvzVoluT4NzTB4 Ak7WhdJiFTb_Sb0y67AjkwX.xapu8ZznyMMTNi7tZT5VnmSnD22n48cDXcf4.MoV.6hx6xNaXQFc q6nE1QnT2mrecmbIZBa5k3LEALq0PKOgb0yVgWA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:02:26 +0000 Received: from 104-48-143-159.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net (EHLO mac-pro.attlocal.net) ([104.48.143.159]) by smtp411.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (Oath Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID dc135be5649948ce6ef284b342a2e9ce for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 16:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6496DC72-4964-4731-BC2F-3FA16DDB9DE3" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 11:02:24 -0500 References: To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) --Apple-Mail=_6496DC72-4964-4731-BC2F-3FA16DDB9DE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients off-load = to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication = they are, the more money I make. I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much = maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work. I tell first time clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their = maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will = actually take. I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get = organized and pay me by the hour. -=20 I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I need a = logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web = site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an = annual report, job app, or press release. But, I=E2=80=99ve also done a = fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web banner. > On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser = wrote: >=20 > Ain=E2=80=99t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=E2=80=99t = even have time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot = of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity = and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR. >=20 > Cary >=20 >=20 > On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv = ) wrote: >=20 >> one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little = direction. --Apple-Mail=_6496DC72-4964-4731-BC2F-3FA16DDB9DE3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 This = is why I charge by the hour.  The more work that clients off-load = to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication = they are, the more money I make.

I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how = much maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work.

I tell first time = clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their maintenance or work = habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take. =  I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get organized = and pay me by the hour.

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I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. =  When I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I = will mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo = is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release.  But, = I=E2=80=99ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low = res web banner.



On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> wrote:

Ain=E2=80=99t that the truth! Billion dollar agency = doesn=E2=80=99t even have time to provide client branding. I wound up = taking screen shot of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an = imprecise activity and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR.

Cary


On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with = little = direction.

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