From: "Cary Spenser" Received: from mail-oi1-f181.google.com ([209.85.167.181] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.0) with ESMTPS id 7258282 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 17:34:39 +0100 Received: by mail-oi1-f181.google.com with SMTP id t82so4937324oie.12 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:46:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=odmuddCndnSSkgkz1667z8smJNfMJELgqw4NmSadxEA=; b=PpaUzeC7AeEkNRBjF0aFZY35ZVyCjHjAZD2okTWKyqOmldGWrpKDIeDez4FzfEuRm/ UCrB7ghp/JWFdWLEiJlqTR8laem5kW5sBfV5GTkm4b8Y5890kp13SaERa6qB2svcU8kq mprGAVYuj49FihTWj1lJxF9cuLNsDFSBW/zyIeV/hCih0D44CLM0tcIWzLvD92MmsCuC 52xaHj4vFyG5DuL70qp4qguX+p2QB+wQyeoKDPTWaYLXAPBmhb21W7VKsEadPeenEHjy nUojAIPy7Gs/xTwn2c1WpOc+yDESA16MBpesCfX8p7c2tb8XjuG3OkV7GKjA3NkHHzoG NZ1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=odmuddCndnSSkgkz1667z8smJNfMJELgqw4NmSadxEA=; b=Y/LJHLihhfZOojQub2sCUtjATHX+OWpF4Kx7GbssNDlEcrDzSxNTFiPsICW2MuLM6s HImxYozvbHXp/rAtd4nrtvF3CxxY5PabHGHzbLSVbaTtfdxB3vZ+7rxQgOUOJ+YboWdQ gAELvs7xHkGFsVcig7dObWcPrfhSWjKWtGQ1nuiwhM8xi1FQZVe28d7YOPAp81r60SvR ioNdDjjRO35PbYKkcBp0XPG8hVyVOHUVNvqIDhR1Oo9WI0zyTuqVV0Dvf+wOGCRRCiNy PuvkqNld1mz7MmYnsduhjf3pWM112d9LqMS28V7a0XZXxZuIAmXnZFBXajoufZSdHUDq yTMw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUIgWZF95fbv45SAXjvZHqkzodGcetm3OK8Jqs0mSp/QsXJcYf3 vTrHZPgEjp0Icl6t8oz2WSsuS8Vm2KAmXbFjLiAltA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxkuBUr8dEl4SZIvFoy/pJPvO3gG3fqKn7/heDvrAm2NxxFWzx++SiiOZoQu9/gWGkbHXt16httkLe2XYkoZGc= X-Received: by 2002:aca:43c4:: with SMTP id q187mr2644888oia.34.1552581960585; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:46:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2019 09:46:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Demo reel critique? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003ed4bd058410a80c" --0000000000003ed4bd058410a80c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The pricing model depends on whether I=E2=80=99m dealing with the creative, account, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, project basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I=E2=80=99ve been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are = golden. BrandsoftheWorld has saved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they provide are not always up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. Sometimes logos vary slightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm privately owned specialty retailer, they don=E2=80=99t have anything. No PD= Fs anywhere. Their press page has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide. Thx, Cary On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote: This is why I charge by the hour. The more work that clients off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they are, the more money I make. I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work. I tell first time clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their maint= enance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take. I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get organized and pay me= by the hour. - I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. When I need a lo= go, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release. But, I=E2=80=99ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web banner. On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser wrote: Ain=E2=80=99t that the truth! Billion dollar agency doesn=E2=80=99t even ha= ve time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR. Cary On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote= : one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction. --0000000000003ed4bd058410a80c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
The = pricing model depends on whether I=E2=80=99m dealing with the creative, acc= ount, or production people at agencies. Always hourly with the creatives, p= roject basis for account types. And then there are the people with whom I= =E2=80=99ve been working for 10+ years. Those relationships are golden.

BrandsoftheWorld has s= aved my bacon on many occasions. But the logos they provide are not always = up-to-date, need to be checked against current work. Sometimes logos vary s= lightly by country. And in the case of a $300mm privately owned specialty r= etailer, they don=E2=80=99t have anything. No PDFs anywhere. Their press pa= ge has a couple of PNGs that are less than 150px wide.=C2=A0

Thx,

Cary




On March 14, 2019 at 12:03:20 PM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

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This is why I charge by the hour.=C2=A0 The more work that clients off-load to me, the more indecisive, ill-prepared, and lousy at communication they are, the more money I make.

I usually only work on bids when I know the client and how much maintenance they are, or I=E2=80=99m desperate for work.

I tell first time clients that since I don=E2=80=99t know about their maintenance or work habits, my bid is 3 or 4X what I think the job will actually take.=C2=A0 I tell them it=E2=80=99s more in their interest to get organized and pay me by the hour.

-=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m sure you know about brandsoftheworld dot com. =C2=A0When I need a logo, and the client is clueless about vectors, I will mine their web site for PDFs, as about half the time, a vector logo is embedded in an annual report, job app, or press release.=C2=A0 But, I=E2=80=99ve also done a fair share of reverse engineering from a low res web banner.



On Mar 14, 2019, at 9:56 AM, Cary Spenser <AE-List@media-mot= ion.tv> wrote:

Ain=E2=80=99t that the truth! Billion= dollar agency doesn=E2=80=99t even have time to provide client branding. I wound up taking screen shot of commercial and tracing the logo in Illustrator, an imprecise activity and an unrecoverable expense. FUBAR.

Cary


On March 14, 2019 at 9:51:03 AM, Jim Curtis (ae-list@media-motion.tv) wrote:

one person shop who often gets projects dumped on me with little direction.

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